[Bill Discussion] Repeal The Mayoral Powers Act

Yes, MPA is a pretty nice acronym. But that aside it's a lousy bill that completely goes against the spirit of MtA.

In the limited discussion thread citylion's primary defense of the bill was that he wanted to be in a position to make more concrete deals and negotiations with foreign leaders for his future UN. Which is essentially autocratic coercion with more steps for the rest of us.

Mount Augusta is a direct-democracy and a minarchy. Though we are increasingly straying further from that.

Posted Nov 16, 2019, 7:32 AM UTC

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NePassencoreTroozi3•

nah

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Dr_OracleOP7th MtA Diplomat (CC)•

ok troozer

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morsden67Vote Counter Extraordinaire•

I obviously cannot vote but I would like to direct your attention to literally pages of previous discussion of the predecessor to this, the King Fuhrer Bradley Bill.

I may not be the best person to point much of this out, since I actually voted for the KFB last time but my new understanding is that these sorts of votes create the potential for a really bad situation to occur.

Arguments For the Bill:

I am also not particularly caught up to current events from what I understand, during this last month (oh god i actually don't know time has flown by really fast here),

  • City has been accumulating power to get MtA into the global politics scene. Now, that's not necessarily a bad thing here, and in fact is generally a pretty good idea given the situation that MtA currently exists in.
  • There is good reason to assume that because MtA is in the middle of two (relative) superpowers that MtA can serve as a crossroads for diplomacy and other cooperative projects, and secure itself as a general superpower.
  • Having a consolidated government that is able to make decisions faster, quicker, and more efficiently would greatly benefit MtA as a whole to be able to do things faster.

I would also like to point out that the way this "organization" was pitched to me and the rest of CW was not as a UN, but moreso a UNESCO u/Dr_Oracle. Functionally it tries to keep cultural unity throughout the server (although that may have been a bad way to phrase it.)

Arguments Against the Bill:

I feel like the argument is sort of obvious here. It's happened two times before, and has been repealed both times.

  • There is always the looming possibility that a future mayor would abuse this very law to pretty much shape Mount Augusta into the way it wants, without any input from the general public. This is dangerous, considering (ahem) the current IRL political climate (ahem).
  • The mayor needs to be vulnerable to change to be able to shift MtA in the way the citizens want. It makes sense that the current citizens do want global political change at the moment but at the cost of ceding their political power to the mayor, who they trust. When their voice can be deleted at the push of a keyboard and a "submit" button, is that how justice should work?
  • City has admitted himself that it was a mistake to pass the KFB 8 months ago due to a lack of understanding of possible future pretenses.

In Civ, there is not one way for people to rule their own country. Many people have figureheads or are dictators, or are so casual that they just barely make a legislature write some chicken scratch to come up with a way of passing bills (hint CW hint).

A reminder that MtA is a minarchist city, which is a really conservative government strategy that I personally believe it is a miracle that it works. In an increasingly global political world with the introduction of CivClassics, it only makes sense that Mount Augusta should play a role in a world where its neighbors are joining alliances.

I am not choosing a side here, instead, I have laid out the arguments for voters to choose. Is it worth keeping losing at least a slice of your vote for the benefit of bringing your city more prominently into the world scene? This is something that you have to choose.

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Dr_OracleOP7th MtA Diplomat (CC)•

I think Alliances are a sort of bizarre arms race that people join because other people join them. I think they actually lead to more rather than less conflict but that's another story.

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Greeenkitten•

Shut up you stupid retarded pussy faggot fuck, Mt Augusta has been a complete warmongering totalitarian state for a long long while now. I just hasn't effected you because you're too much of a pissy dribble to be on the wrong side of it. Blokes like me, the kinda minority fella that the constitution oughta defend, have been trampled to the point where we're not even a citizen any more. Hell I'm just waiting for them to strike my name from the constitution and scrub the sub from me.

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zaphod100Retired Second Mayor of 2.0•

Mt Augusta has been a complete warmongering totalitarian state for a long long while now

PACK IT UP

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HerrCr0c•

Though we are increasingly straying further from that.

Has this clown been living under a rock for the past year and a half?

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CivFigasaurJewish Quarter Resident•

The same people screaming and kicking over this remain silent at my perma +21 day sentence, incapable of seeing the irony and history MtA has had to shamefully endure for the last year.

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