Unless Wall comes back to All star mode is this Beals team? How do you think Wall should or will handle this?
Edit** This was just an honest question to see what anyone thought. Y’all are acting like I made a statement against Wall. So much for supporting your fellow fans. So toxic.
Posted Nov 18, 2019, 2:39 PM UTC · edited
The real question is how do you think they’ll handle it when they realize this is Mo Swagners team?
Even when Wall comes back, Beal will be the leader of the team and the primary scorer. John will play hard, be a good teammate and try to get wins.
John has alpha-dog built into his game.. if he’s going to take a different role, he’s going to have to learn how to play differently. That’s really hard to do.
I think he can be both. Wall is a distributor, and he's at the top of his game when he's making everyone better. Beal can be the one dropping all the points with Wall as the motor behind everyone.
I believe John can still be alpha while playing a lesser role . It’s not about who shoots the most, it’s about being a floor general and always knowing when to step up at the right time.
Kyle Lowry barely averaged 14-15 ppg for Toronto last season while Kawhi averaged 25-30, but if you watched the games Lowry was still an alpha and a leadership presence for his squad.
If Westbrook can do it, he can too.
I truly hope this happens.
why would it not?
It’s obvious to us but Wall has butt heads with guys who try to overtake him you know. The way him and Beal always played together I still got the feel he was gonna take his shot kind of thing even though they are friends
It’s not obvious to me. I don’t recall any player being in the position to overtake John in anyway. John was the best player on the team for years and it was clear. However, Brad has progressed to the point of being the best player and the team has started to build around him.
The team is also built perfectly for John's skillset. All these shooters/cutters for John to drive and kick/dish too? Two legit PnR partners in Bryant/Wagner?
I don’t mean talent wise I just mean big dog on the team wise. I hope Brad is the man I would just hate to see the twos chemistry drop if this was the case.
Don’t you think a lot of Walls All star ability was his ability to drive in the paint and draw fouls (aside from his defense) but now it seems that may be leaving his arsenal. Even before he got hurt he wasn’t drawing anywhere near as many fouls and missing his layups on his drives a lot
Besides media driven speculation based off of a quote that was taken out of context, I haven’t seen any problem with their chemistry. What evidence suggests that ever happened to make you think this? Judging from how Wall has looked during his recovery, I think he will still be able to draw fouls.
Can you name one other player besides Gortat who this has happened with?
1A and 1B the exact same as it was before.
To say that Beal will be the leader over John is just disrespectful to John and all he's done for us. They will always be equals. Even if Beal is a better player (he for sure will be at that point), the so called "leadership" title will never be divided differently than a 50/50 split.
Beal is 1A now whether John likes it or not.
The entire point of calling two people 1A and 1B is that A/B are interchangeable and do not matter.
My point is that its not the exact same as it was before, that's just ignoring the reality of the situation. It's Beal's time now.
Sure, Beal is healthier and a more prominent scorer, but John is still gonna be the one running the offense and in charge of ball distribution and getting everyone involved. That responsibility is gonna fall back on his shoulders. If calling Beal 1A makes you feel better, sure, but what youre describing is Beal 1 Wall 2 and that's wrong.
God you're a dumbass.
Damn y’all are so negative downvoting with me just asking a question. Real nice support. Thanks guys.
Sorry about that man, it's not always the best here but I'm working on it. I'm starting some Off Day Threads for more in-depth discussion and hopefully we can have more room for a wide variety of opinions.
This subreddit is the worst for sharing different opinions, you're not allowed to go against the jerk. We desperately need unpopular opinion threads, maybe on a weekly basis.
Beal has been taking more shots than wall for a while. Wall will have the ball because he's a pure PG and that will make Beal's job significantly easier, he'll get a lot more spot up opportunities. But I would be extremely surprised if Beal is not a better player than Wall when he returns, so I guess that makes it Beal's team.
Who cares tho we got em both🤷🏾♂️
So much for supporting your fellow fans. So toxic.
This is how it gets when you question the golden boy, Johnathan Hildred Wall Jr. Thou shalt not.
Facts, this is the Wizards sub in a nutshell
It’s Ted’s team. Beal and Wall are both studs. No drama here.
Why would people downvote this lol?
Some men just want to watch the world burn
It doesn’t need to be one or the other. They consistently ball out alongside each other.
The “it’s my team or your team” is the BS narrative that ESPN pushes when there isn’t drama on a team.
Its a legitimate question though, this is the Wizards subreddit, not ESPN. We're not here to create drama between Beal and Wall. We're here to discuss who the leader of this team is, and yes that is absolutely a thing in all sports, but carries much more weight in a superstar dominated sport like basketball. If you phrase it as "my team" VS "your team" it makes it sound childish, leadership isn't about pettiness.
I feel it’s a false media narrative that only one person can be the leader on the team. John and Brad both have their own forms of leadership that can meld together.
In real life situations leadership doesn’t just come from one person it can be anyone contributing in their own way. For example Mo Swag can lead by bringing energy off the bench , or go down the line with each player.
That's a fair take, but what you're doing is separating the concept of leadership from the concept of the leader. Of course Wagner can demonstrate leadership, but don't tell me he's the leader of the Wizards, that's just disingenuous.
Basketball is a very unique sport in this aspect, call it leadership, call it whatever you want, but the idea of "the guy" is super important for every team. There's three seconds left on the clock, game is tied, now what? Do Brad and Wall both shoot the ball simultaneously? No, Wall is going to have to stop playing hero ball and hand the keys over to Beal, can that meld? I don't know, I guess that's what this thread is all about.
From an offensive standpoint ? Beal is the leading scorer and already was .. it’s safe to say Wall clearly recognizes that based on how they were already playing.
That’s easy. Anyone who’s been watching Wizards games will tell you the majority of our gamewinning plays are drawn up for Brad , for years now. He’s our most skilled scorer. Even Wall’s famous shot in Game 6, that play was originally drawn up for Brad but the Celtics smothered him so John had to take the shot.
In the past JW had no problem letting Beal take the clutch shots so I don’t see this being a big issue.
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