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The new senator of Idaho wants to repeal the 17th Amendment (popular election of senators). Here's why: original system vs the current system. Our Founders were probably right on this one, guys.

The senator-elect of Idaho has repeatedly stated that he supports repealing the 17th Amendment, or the direct election of senators by the people, and instead return to the Founders' system of having them appointed by the state legislators.

The original system went like this:

  • The People were represented by the House of Representatives,
    • The primary goal of the House was to pass laws that helped the people.
    • Its secondary goal was to stop laws that would hurt the People.
  • The States were represented by the Senate
    • The primary goal of the Senate was to stop laws that would hurt the States, esp. in terms of their sovereignty, from passing.
    • Its secondary goal was to pass laws that would benefit the States.
  • Senate campaigns
    • required zero donations from the public or corporations. In fact, campaign contributions were considered bribery in the majority of states and outright outlawed.
    • involved zero public political advertisements, as the public was not involved at all (except telling their state reps who to vote for)
    • required unethical/illegal entities to bribe large swaths of a state's legislature to get a certain man appointed.
    • were much harder to "fix" because candidates largely were not known until just a few months before the election.
  • Senators could be fired: States could "recall" their senators at will, even on the basis of a single vote not in the state's interest, and replaced at will, something that is impossible today.

The new system works like this:

  • Senators serve on average 20+ years in office.
  • Senators are beholden to no one, and it is virtually impossible to remove them unless they commit some gross illegal act.
  • States are represented by no one.
  • There is very little difference between a Senator and Representative, so legislation is passed far more often than is wise, leading to great expanse in Federal government.
  • There are effectively zero checks on Federal usurpation of states' rights, except the nuclear option: secession.
  • Senate campaigns
    • cost many millions of dollars on average
    • are paid in part by tax dollars
    • require donations from corporations and people
    • are far more easier to sway by "electioneering" (corporations paying for ads to bsaically brainwash people into voting a certain way)
    • are easily subverted: now you just have to buy off one guy per state (instead of potentially hundreds) and you know who he is years in advance.

Tell me how this system is better!? Do you not now also feel the 17th Amendment should be repealed as well?

Posted Nov 3, 2010, 5:22 PM UTC

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