Why Altina?
I'm a little confused as to why we would get Altina before Ashera as a mythic hero. Isn't Ashera way more relevant in Tellius? (I've only played Radiant Dawn not Path of Radiance)
Posted Nov 27, 2019, 5:59 AM UTC
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Honestly, all the moaning about Altina these past few hours is kind of insane to me (I know this isn't the point of your thread in particular, but this is where I'll bring it up). I've seen quite a lot of comments and threads complaining about her inclusion before Ashera/Dhegnesia/Lehran and it's ridiculous. Yes... Ashera is more plot relevant, yes Altina's only appearance is a background graphic in a CG image... And yet, she STILL was one of the most heavily requested characters for Mythic thanks to the sheer badass design of a woman wielding both Ragnel & Alondite.
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It’s so weird. I know everyone has different thoughts and opinions, but when Mythics were made a thing and labeled as “god-like heroes” Altina was one of the top names thrown around that deserve to be added as one.
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Her design is great and I love it, but I'm still hoping for other heavily requested mythics that IS won't deliver on like Mila, Fomortiis/Lyon, etc.
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IS: People love their female myrmidons... What if we just doubled down on that? Like, literally doubled?
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I get the relevancy argument and all, but I honestly prefer Altina to the other Tellius options from a gameplay standpoint since she's now the 2nd defense-hitting Mythic and the first actual melee mythic. Sephiran/Ashera would be mages and Dheginsea would be another dragon unless they make up a whole dragon beast class just for him, so finally having a break from the dragon-mage-dragon-mage onslaught is nice.
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Fair point. But to the same effect you could say that the Legendary heroes and heavily defense hitting. You have Robin, Tiki and Julia vs. Fjorm, Ike, Ephraim, Lucina, Ryoma, Hector, Lyn, Eliwood, Roy, Marth, Alm, Leif, etc.
I feel like it's mostly due to the 'theme' of the mythic/legendary heroes (Mythic heroes being gods/goddesses/spiritual entities that wield magical power or breaths, and Legendaries being the lords and heroes that wield the sword/lance/axe/bow divine weapons)
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Robin, Tiki, Julia, Gunnthra, and Azura
But yeah, there's definitely a lack of diversity amongst the legendaries too, although they've been switching it up lately with bows and tomes so I'll give them credit for that. It's a bit more noticeable with Mythics though, due to how much they impact your rankings as opposed to legendaries, as well as the need to run two of them to maximize scores.
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gotta be honest here, since the first time i've played POR I've always wanted some form of altina spin-off. she was portrayed like a total badass, also wielding the two best swords from the lore and having that aragorn-like story...damn she's fine
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We're not going off of a logical release schedule, we're going off of a release schedule based around releasing units that will adapt well into the environment that released in. Things that will adjust or seemlessly integrate into the meta.
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This is true, just thought Ashera would be astra because she is opposite to Yune, but not exactly Light worthy. She still could be the third astra hero
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She's definitely coming eventually, there's just no rush. And this is what IS wanted to give us.
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Yes but we go on IS’ schedule yenno
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Because it would make the 4th mage in a row.
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Um, you mean 4th magic damage based unit? Sothis and Naga aren't mages
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Isn't Ashera way more relevant in Tellius?
Honestly, if anything IS has been consistently releasing the less relevant characters each any every Mythic for everyone after Duma.
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Duma. Alright. He makes perfect sense. Final boss of SoV
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Yune. Wait, hold up. Instead of choosing Ashera, the final boss you choose the other god who only fuctioned as a lore NPC and gave storyline buffs to counter Ashera?
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Naga. In the same realm as Yune. Yes she's the a goddess of Archanea, but her biggest claim to fame is granting powerful weapons. Compare to instead, the final boss of the games Medeus.
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Sothis. There's definitely more relevant Mythic candidates from 3H, for I'd give this one a pass considering it's a special case considering the banner was released before the game even came out yet.
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Thrasir. Say what you will about whether or not she should have been a Mythic in the first place, but she did become Mythic before Hel, the friggin' God of the Dead did.
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Naga is literally the background FE god. She is probably the most deserving of a mythic out of every character in the series. And Sothis the most deserving out of all Three Houses characters.
Honestly, your argument is pretty weak and seems to stem mostly from overvaluing final bosses. Naga, Yune, and Sothis are all fitting and expected Mythic candidates. Thrasir is literally the only outlier.
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Ashera/Yune and arguably Sothis are more deserving than Naga. Naga is the ruler of the Divine dragons, which is pretty up there in terms of godhood, but the other 3 are goddesses with no caveats.
Naga didn't create the world while Ashera/Yune created Tellius and all the races that inhabit it. I mean, one of her quotes in FEH is "I am no god, I cannot simply grant any wish I please".
I can't remember well about Sothis, but I think she created Fodlan so she's also 100% a goddess and can do whatever.
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Naga is relevant to half the games in the series vs. two and one respectively.
And I know she isn't a god, but she's a god-like figure, and the most prominent in the series.
To say that she's less deserving is disservice to her position in the series.
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That matters not. Naga absolutely deserves to be Mythic tier (and she is) but appearing in more games doesn't make her any godlier than the characters IS wrote as literal gods of creation.
Yes, Naga is more relevant across the series but if we focus on the definition of Mythic (God-like heroes) then they should be classified in this way:
Gods>God-like figures>Characters granted power by Gods.
Then it is logical that Ashera/Yune/Sothis and even Hel stand above Naga, and Naga is above the likes of Altina/Thrasir/Eir. And for completion's sake, Duma is above Altina and co. but below Naga because she's the leader of his clan.
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Relevant. Not deserving, relevant, big difference in word choice there cause essentially I do agree with you.
Yes, Naga is more deserving, but as far as being relevant to the plot Medeus would be more relevant.
That's the point I'm trying to make in which OPs asking, "Isn't Ashera way more relevant in Tellius?". Cause the thing is, IS doesn't always put the most relevant character in the Mythic spot first. Deserving, sure. Plot relevant, very rarely.
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I feel like I just have a problem with your wording. Calling final bosses more relevant makes it sound like the ones we have are irrelevant, when in actuality they all have similar, if not more, relevancy. Just cause we never fight Yune, doesn't mean she's not as relevant to the plot as Ashera.
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Sothis. There's definitely more relevant Mythic candidates from 3H
I really can't think of anyone off the top of my head that would be a better mythic from 3H. Like maybe Serios/Nemesis, but Sothis is just as if not more deserving.
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I actually prefer them putting in background lore characters as Mythics over final bosses, since it's probably the only way for neat mythical figures like Anri and Altina to get in. If Sothis isn't a relevant mythic candidate despite being >!Fodlan's Progenitor God!< because she isn't a final boss, then, what, is Veld a Mythic candidate?
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...? Do keep in mind, I'm not saying any of these characters aren't deserving of being Mythic. Far from it.
But that's not the question I was trying to answer. OPs question wasn't "Should Altena be a Mythic candidate" it's "Isn't Ashera way more relevant in Tellius?". Sothis VERY MUCH is a Mythic candidate by far, but as far as plot relevancy I'd argue there's other "god-like" characters in 3H that made their presense known way more than she did.
But she's the friggin' god of Fodlan, like Naga. Their role may have essentially been "non-combat NPC" but IS still put them in forst before more story relevant characters.
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Probably just a wording issue then, I do agree that plot relevancy has never been a deciding factor for picking Mythic candidates, as opposed to just mythical/god status in-game. That said...
I'd argue there's other "god-like" characters in 3H that made their presense known way more than she did.
Really? I can think of like one other more plot-important candidate in Seiros/>!Rhea!<.
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I don't think relevancy was ever a factor in release order nor should it be expected to be.