Was your pwBPD into astrology and various "woo"?

Mine (at least the one I have talked about here) wasn't, as far as I know. But a lot of them seem to be. And I'm wondering why this is. My family member, who has a diagnosis, absolutely is. She has followed along with every spiritual fad in four decades, since the 1970s. In the 80s it was Japanese dieting. In the early 90s it was Deepak Chopra's pseudoscientific garbage that I had to listen to. I learned about the word "quantum" from that, and then later when I became an adult and studied cosmology and physics in college I learned what the word really meant in a physics context. After the 90s she moved onto The Secret. She also has David Icke's books (you know, where there are reptilian, alien overlords that run humanity).

The astrology thing has always been there, like old reliable. If I ever revealed that I was dating someone, the book that lists everyone's sign (sun and moon) would come out and it would be determined if we were an appropriate match.

A recent encounter with someone who I think might struggle with something on the cluster B spectrum...maybe not full blown BPD but definitely a personality issue, makes me wonder if this isn't a coincidence. Every other discussion involved a reference to our respective signs.

You can also do a breadth-first search of stuff that gets posted in the sub for BPD and notice how many of them are all over astrology and tarot.

I don't get it. There's a lot about cluster Bs that I do get, since I grew up with one in my family. But this is a mystery to me.

Posted Nov 28, 2019, 4:08 AM UTC

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NgoyablueDivorced•

Oh my god yes.

Actually, she took a print of my palm to a palm reader about a month before I secretly left her.....strangely enough the guy didn't notice the fact that I was planning to leave in my palm....lol.

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Magnetik986Dated•

Lmao well played

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Shalasie•

This has been my cluster B experience as well. My NPD mom was very into astrology, and loved to guess people’s signs. It was an adoration-seeking activity, and also a way for her to feel powerful over other people.

My ex BPD boyfriend and ex BPD friend were also into metaphysical stuff: Kabbalah, Wicca, Illuminati...anything magical and mysterious. I think it has some connection to their chronic feelings of emptiness and need to feel like a special little snowflake. And it was usually a fleeting surface interest. I know people who are Wiccan and are really into that belief system, but with the cluster Bs it was more like projecting an image and dressing a certain way to get attention. They weren’t committed to it or anything - more like a hobby, or temporary personality to fill their empty souls.

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AliceinSunderClanDivorced•

I agree with the idea that it has something to do with the bpd's "emptiness' or rather their "lack of self/identity".

Astrology was actually something that I was deeply into in my early 20's (I know - the shame, but in my defense it was a intermediate step in my transition from having been raised with religion to becoming an atheist ~ ....annnnnd probably my serious drug addiction during that time - I digress). Anyway I was looking for "answers" because I was having a "crisis of faith'" type thing - which I can imagine is similar to the feeling of not having a self feels like to a borderline.

Astrology (and let me reiterate - I do not believe in astrology at all anymore) is way more complicated than one's "sun" sign (the sign most people refer to as "their sign".) So when people start talking to me about how their sign is such an accurate representation of them I immediately know they have no real knowledge on the subject. (OMG the literal YEARS I wasted learning about this shit - I could slap past myself).

Last thing - if anyone you EVER meet for the first time asks you to guess their sign ... guess Scorpio. Betcha you guess right 😉.

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AliceinSunderClanDivorced•

That's because a person doesnt have just 1 of 12 signs. They have a sun (this is what is based on your date of birth only & is the one everyone refers too as their "sign"), they have a moon, plus a sign for each planet - then you have your rising sign and your midheaven, those each are then in a "house" which adds another dimensional aspect. Finally (well kinda) you have aspects - how the planets sit on the wheel in relation to others (square, trine, etc) and those all "mean" things.

Compatibly in astrology takes two people's charts and overlays them - then "compares" them. (Person A's Mercury in Virgo squares Person B's Ascendant and that means blah blah blah).

Long story short - no one who is 'into' astrology would "bother" with "she's a cancer and he's a Capricorn so it will never work" explanations for relationships.

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esoldelulu•

By buying into this association, it’s basically witch-hunting by creating a connotation with specific interests to the behavioral disorder. The irony.

I’d look into what people actually get out of the things they’re interested in. It’s the patterns in behaviors, decision-making, social interactions one should be looking out for.

And no, I wouldn’t paint people this way by their interests alone. It’s kinda hypocritical. And by doing so, one may miss the forest for the trees. And predictably will fall into the same patterns of victimhood again.

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countzero_interruptOPNon-Romantic•

All pheasants are birds. But not all birds are pheasants.

I'm simply curious as to why so many pwBPD seem to be into this crap, far more than the average person would appear to be. I personally think it's ridiculous, but people are entitled to be interested in whatever they want.

You'll notice that I referred to my friend, who I respected very much. It was her behavior toward me, not her interest in this stuff, that caused me to re-evaluate that level of respect. And her behavior, soley that, which caused me to think she has something going on.

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esoldelulu•

I don’t think the interest occurs naturally. Especially if it’s anything that prompts some introspection. Anecdotally, of the uBPD I’ve met, such interests were still in its infancy or borrowed/influenced after meeting someone they mirrored.

If they do fervently dive into the interests, it’s on a shallow level. Like pulling a tarot card for the day is how they then decide to treat a partner or handle a major decision, which was just another roundabout way for them to not take ownership for their actions and behavior.

And I think that’s perhaps the draw of the interests not just astrology, some new religion, etc. anything that can aid them to not be accountable for their behavior, they’ll embrace it.

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AliceinSunderClanDivorced•

Personally I think it is similar to why some borderline's latch onto their dx. It's like "how to define the self" guidebook. An entire birth chart will literally outline every aspect of ones "self" and behaviors in regards to the specific realm it "rules". (Ex: how one loves, communicates, expresses anger, inner self, public face, long term goals, etc). Its perfect for bpd's who don't have a stable sense of self, it just bing bang boom - defines you for you, no questions asked (other than time and place of birth).

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countzero_interruptOPNon-Romantic•

In that case my heart goes out to those who don't know where the sun and moon were in the zodiac when they were born. I mean you're basically SOL at that point, aren't you?

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AliceinSunderClanDivorced•

Gawd I wish I didn't know, seriously what a freaking waste of brain space this shit takes up in my head.🙄

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YouHateTheMostNon-Romantic•

Yes, my exfwBPD was. She kept saying that she gets hot-headed so much because she's a Scorpio, and that we get along so well together because I'm a Sagittarius, and how the horoscope is always so correct it's mind-boggling. Also told me about crystals and how they help her sleep better.

I think it was her way of

  • shifting responsibility for her actions from herself to higher forces;
  • searching for a magical cure which would "make her normal" overnight;
  • like u/Shalasie said, feeling powerful over other people, like she's endowed with some secret knowledge other people aren't.
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countzero_interruptOPNon-Romantic•

I got a lot of "I'm sign X therefore of course I'll act that way" from my former friend. I think you do have a point.

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sadimaginaryfriend•

Mine goes through phases where she gets super Christian, but she never goes to church. 🤷‍♀️

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Breadth-first search in data structures. Thanks for reminding me I need to study for an exam, lol. And, yes, every single one of them is OBSESSED with anything that makes them not accountable for their actions.

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It's been the story of my life for as long as I can remember. My mother is BPD, as are a bunch of other family members. My father is schizophrenic. Going through this degree (Comp Sci indeed) is the least of my worries.

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ExtensionActuator•

I am into it, but the pwBPD thinks it's ridiculous. So, no. Haha.

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countzero_interruptOPNon-Romantic•

Do you take it seriously or is it more like a hobby?

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ExtensionActuator•

I believe in it, but I don't have time to get involved in it.

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countzero_interruptOPNon-Romantic•

I needed to read this. This all sounds very familiar. Doesn’t make me feel any better, but it sounds familiar. Extremely.

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Oh big time. It was the first thing I noticed about my expwBPD. Every discussion was dominated with abstract astrology and planetary references. How the galaxy worked etc. She was so into it that she would use it as a means to make me feel small for not "knowing."

It really got to such a point that even humoring her and being involved in the discussion was an exercise in frustration.

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meganrobyn•

Oh, I definitely see this.

My exPWBPD liked to feel superior to others, unless it was a 'strong man' who made him feel special by being part of the gang.

My mother (uBPD) is more heavily into all kind of woo and always has been. I think partly it's a lack of identity and core self for her - it makes her feel smart and knowledgeable, particuarly as she always sees her woo beliefs as 'scientifically proved' and the 'real' truth. But she is also obsessive about control and micromanagement, and I think woo gives her a sense of control over the outside world that she probably lacks in herself.

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Meeting anyone new, it would be "what is your starsign?"

She compared our natal charts and we weren't so compatible on there. I was always resentful of that because compatibility for me is all about how much effort you put in the relationship (things you can control) not where the sun and moon are.

It was only after the breakup where I found her anonymous blog that I realised how much of an actual thing it was for her. She is all into magical thinking, to the point where one day she was splitting and devaluing me and looked at the clock and it was showing her favourite numbers and she said "that's how I knew DiscardedNon and I wouldn't work"

Note, that she never mentioned all this to me. She was talking to her followers on that anonymous platform. There is so many heartbreaking things I found, lies, neverending list of lies and I stil can't wrap my head around it. If you think you know how BPDs think, think again.

I even showed my psychologist so much what she wrote and my T, who treats BPD and all, had trouble reading all of it! She had to get take breaks in between.

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Yes yes yes. I remember we got into it when I was coming home from work, I didn't know anything about BPD or anything but she was being "off", and I thought she been drinking probably was but yea.. She had a completeeeeeeeeeee meltdown because I didnt want to do it, then when I got home I did it, but it was wrong and yea......

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