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MaleficNeos

Unpopular opinio: REWORK HIS ULT

I love sylas his lore and design, but its ridiculous that he got gutted to the point that pre rework(shield eq) ryze had a higher winrate than him. We all know riot wont givw him good buffs because his kit is overloaded with a busted ult. His main kit is garbage and passive as well because his ult is insanely good if your enemy drafted poorly or you happened to be last pick. He wont be in a good spot for a while even with the recent changes in pbe so why not rework his ult. Give him the ability to steal ap and mana or something along those lines, the chains absorb magic so why not make him into an ap bruiser like he was mean to be and let his ult empower his abilites by stealing stats. Trundle already does this and so does morde. I would but rather be able to lane and combo off and be relevant at the cost of stealing ults. This has been one of the great mechanics added to league but if it will my chainy boi not playable just rework his ult or change it. You already gutted irelias ult, ryze was dumbed down to the point where you broke him. Just liaten for once riot and get this right and stop making your fanbase hate you for poor balancing decisions.

Posted Dec 14, 2019, 8:38 AM UTC

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Devourer_of_HP•

The reason he got gutted is flex pick potential in pro-play this is the same reason pantheon had a 100% ban rate and only went through once or twice.

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MaleficNeosOP•

Yes while agree he is a flex pick, pantheon is still a viable pick after nerfs. Post worlds he hasnt even been touched after his nerf and has a decent play rate and win rate still. Again not much of a difference with their kits both have poke (q) cc (panth w sylas e2) but remember ap is cheaper to buy

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okwasdf•

His ult is not the problem, his flexibility is.

If you think about vlad he basically can oneshot a squishy team lategame on his own but he is restricted to a lane and has a relatively immobile laningphase.

Sylas excelled at squirmishes early game and was flexible, which is important in proplay. He also was able to compete with akali in the midlane, very underrated ability he had at that time. Basically teams would leave both of them open to than have this skillmatchup in the midlane.

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MaleficNeosOP•

Its not really his flexibility its his ul thats the problwm on proplay. A control mage with mobility thats insane in proplay because champs like sej olaf akali irelia ashe ect are played. His r makes his kit overloaded because in pro. You tend to have at least 3 engage ults per game. Remember even when he was gutted he found a place in the jg evwn when his number were so bad. They had to nerf his passive aoe for monsters. It got to the point now where you cant farm for the most part till you have item and a half without losing trades or being pushed under tower. And i understand he needs to have a weak early to have a mid game power spike but sylas tends to fall off super hard late game. Weak early mediocre mid and weak late unless you get fed.

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okwasdf•

You know that if you can steal an ultimate the enemy team also has the same ultimate. Even more often than you do on sylas. So if you want an engage ultimate from your midlaner you can pick a midlaner that can engage, this season we have seen even kled being played midlane as a counter pick.

In proplay they play whatever is strong right now, sometimes it is akali/olaf/irelia/ezreal but sometimes it is jayce/lee/xayah, depending on the meta.

So with that in mind, Sylas was a strong counterpick to akali as it was a skillmatchup. Also he was able to jungle and skirmish early which made him a reliable first pick. Similar to aatrox btw, who was able to atleast survive and go even in any toplane/midlane matchup, that's why he was firstpicked so often.

Also since you refer to sylas as a control mage i doubt you played this character before, control mages are victor, anivia who have ranged waveclear and aoe stun abilities with huge amount of aoe damage. Sylas is, in his current iteration, more an ap bruiser with low dps and more burst, maybe he leans towards assassin.

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MaleficNeosOP•

I do agree with you but also keep in mind the enemy team does have the same ult also remember sylas converts ad ults into ap damage the scaling might not be the same but mr is dog shit right now. A chain vest will mitigate a duskblade or yommus lethality and still give you anough armor to cover some raw ad. Unless you build maw or stack all mr you will yet bursted by ap mages and bruiser. Not to mention some ult have stupid ap scaling, im sure have all stolen an ashe arrow and almost one shot a squishy just with her r. And to the part where i call sylas a control mage the way i survive the early game is roam and assist my jg for river control and just try to survive early game with wave clear and trying to out cs or out poke. Yes he has burst and team fight pressence but hes doeant have the burst of a zed or lb. If you dont land a full combo with those 2 you still can 1 shot someone. With syals you need a full rotation and still have the execution for king slayer but its currently removed from pbe and feels clunky to play. Whati would like is to have a weak early big mid game power spike and not fall off as hard late. Thats why i suggested for his ult to empower his abilities for an x ammount of time and give him that ap bruiser feel. Sylas is a strong pick both in competitive and solo queue given the right circumstances. We all know riot wont even push him to competitive without giving him the ryze treatment

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Griml7•

I agree, rework his ult

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