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Leocmc

If we're going to discuss the Credit grind/economy, we should also look to improve other grinds, like Forma

Discussion

Call me crazy, but Forma are as much a pain as Credits to me, if not more. This mainly comes from the fact that I just had the chance to jump back in from a hiatus a week or so back (console scrub hello!) and now Kuva Liches are a big pain I have to deal with. I so enjoy getting their weapon only to have to wait 5 full days to fully max it out, even though getting it to 30, 32, etc after each forma takes me less than a half hour. The grind is just not fun or enjoyable in any sense when I'm just stuck constantly waiting.

Yeah, sure, one could say I should just have spares built, but I'm still working my way through all the Dojo weapons that require forma to build, while also trying to make strong and proper builds on my gear. I also can't have a perfect system of checking back in every 24 hours to immediately start the next Forma build and capitalize on that time to the extreme.

Going off the Wiki for Forma, one would need a total of 78 Forma to build one of every blueprint that requires one to build. But we can get technical and stick to just the things that give Mastery, effectively removing 7 from the total (4 for Aura Forma, 2 for Exilus Adapter, 1 for Greater Focus Lens) and bringing us to 71 Forma. That's 71 days of just build time, or 1,704 hours, and I'm gonna not break that time down further.

This is completely ignoring the fact that plenty of players will likely build a Greater Focus Lens at some point, if not several. Or the fact that Paracesis and all of the Kuva weapons require 5 Forma to get all the MR from them (that's 70 extra forma to the total), and to likely get that far in the game most players will probably have put at least 1 forma into a weapon, frame, pet or something at that point, though I suppose that could be argued.

It's also relevant to mention that no one is going to be playing for the exact 24 hours that they build, obviously that continues on in the background while we're off in other games or sleeping or working or anything else; that's nice at least. But it still doesn't go any faster, it just continues to happen at the same pace as a background process, still being a barrier from me actually building anything that requires forma. It simply just doesn't require us to be online the entire time, thank goodness.

I personally have used 75 forma across my frames, weapons, and pets, and that's just what still remains in my inventory to this day, I'm sure the actual total is larger. That's a hell of a lot of time invested for a single item just to get precious MR that's already gated behind the build time of those particular weapons, frames, etc.

And sure, it's entirely fair to say that lower MR players probably shouldn't have super active access to plenty of forma because then it further trivializes the early/mid game. I get it, I don't disagree, somewhat at least. But there's certainly ways around that, like making it so build times go down after a certain MR, or allowing us access to an item akin to the ol' Nutrio Incubator that allowed us to take pets out of stasis much faster that'll take build times down. Or even a later game blueprint for several forma like the 10x Cipher BP we can get.

This is obvious nitpicking, but it's still important to talk about. There's a million things DE has done well, a million things they've done poorly, and a million things they can continue to improve on. I will forever be of the mindset that taking more time to revisit older content and systems and fixing/improving on them will fare better for the game than constantly pushing out new content that stops being new and shiny after a few days because they didn't have/take the time to polish it enough.

^(Next time we can discuss how Invasions are pretty outdated and should get an update of some sort)

Posted Dec 16, 2019, 9:59 AM UTC

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Iceedemon888•

De's response to obtaining forma quicker afaik has basically been plaguestar. When it comes around.

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LeocmcOP♪ You're a Polarizer baby ♪•

Boy oh boy I sure do love waiting for a maybe-once-a-year opportunity to do a super boring mission over and over again to farm pre-built forma. Plaguestar is such a mind-numbing event it's really unfortunate. And while that certainly is a solution, it's hardly a good one; I wouldn't even consider calling it a bandaid solution because it's so rare and not normally available for people to use as a grind-spot

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Iceedemon888•

You're not wrong. A huge part of content is bottled necked by forma, from dojo building to lenses to weapons and warframes. Forma is one of the things DE can count on a decent amount of people to spend plat on. Because of this unfortunately I dont see them making a plaguestar like source that is constantly available. Even if its half as good. Liches are further proof they want that forma timegate to remain.

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LeocmcOP♪ You're a Polarizer baby ♪•

Goodness I didn't even think about the dojo requirements for forma, that's even worse

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atejas200 bmi Grendel main•

Hopefully there are regular forma bps as an uncommon railjack reward and not just rare umbra forma bps. But the whole system of base drops needs a lot of clarification and, I suspect a few bugfixes.

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LeocmcOP♪ You're a Polarizer baby ♪•

Umbra forma being a reward in Railjack still surprises me, simply because I kinda figured they'd try to keep those under lock through Nightwave and nothing else. It's certainly a pleasant surprise to see.
But adding more locations for Forma BP's to drop isn't really what's needed, at least imo. Considering Requiem Relics use Void Traces now too, and Forma are already a super common drop through relic farming, it's pretty easy to kill two birds with one stone farming traces and forma BP at the same time. Or if you don't need 'em ezpz ducat grinding. But it's still a slog.

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atejas200 bmi Grendel main•

it's pretty easy to kill two birds with one stone farming traces and forma BP at the same time.

That's true, but running lith or meso missions is so boring that I would actually spend money to avoid it.

That's the thing with kuva/endo, it's not just that there are lots of things that drop them now, but that there are focused, endgame activities which reward those things alongside other good rewards. I can run arbitrations, get endo and arcanes, and then spend my vitus essence on kuva. I can run nightwave for the umbra forma and the potatoes and then spend my nightwave creds on kuva. I can run a lich for their weapon and get kuva, riven slivers, and void traces while doing it, and all of those are reasonably engaging, high-level content. There's nothing really like that for forma or void traces.

That's why I think a railjack forma drop would actually be good. It would be a focused activity on its own, but it would also allow me to farm other stuff like railjack mats, riven slivers, and umbra forma while running a fairly engaging mission.

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LeocmcOP♪ You're a Polarizer baby ♪•

All good points, certainly agreeable. I would of course hope for an actual forma over a BP but giving it somewhere else where it would be a far better reward than a measly credit cache is definitely a step in the right direction.

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atejas200 bmi Grendel main•

Yeah, forma and void traces are my main bottlenecks at this point. They did a good job making kuva and endo highly accessible from lots of places, so hopefully they'll get around to those next year.

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jigeno•

Credits are a pain? Since when?

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LeocmcOP♪ You're a Polarizer baby ♪•

*Not a pain to get, but certainly a pain as a reward because they're never a good reward.

A good thing to clarify, but hardly the point here.

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jigeno•

Ah gotcha, completely didn’t get the point of your post since forma are harder to get, by several orders of magnitude haha.

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LeocmcOP♪ You're a Polarizer baby ♪•

The real difficulty in grinding credits is finding a solid distraction while the Index plays as whitenoise in the background

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jigeno•

Truly.

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AnonimR•

With Forma will be great if they let us craft more than one at a time ,not have to wait 24 hours for just one .This might solve the problem without making it too easy to get Forma as you still meed to farm the materials and blueprint

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TheWorldisFullofWarDieing slowly•

DE already has a solution for you: buy with plat.

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jdaburg•

As far as forma goes I would settle for like an auto build function like If you have enought to build 8 it will auto claim and build none stop. I usually have around 10-15 build at once but they fluctuate quickly

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b14700•

Farm plat and rush them , rushing 3 forma is cheaper than a bundle

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LeocmcOP♪ You're a Polarizer baby ♪•

Aiming to not have the solution deal with someone ultimately spending money in the chain of events. But that is good to know, never thought that was cheaper

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b14700•

Someone has to spend money at some point , its a business first game second , a service not a product

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LeocmcOP♪ You're a Polarizer baby ♪•

It's also technically a free to play service, so no one has to spend money, people choose to. Making a part of the game with bad design on purpose is just predatory. But truthfully it wasn't meant to be (originally), forma weren't as heavily needed way back when, it's just to the point, like plenty of other parts of the game, where as they've continued to add new things, they've ignored updating other stuff to keep up with it, and suddenly we have a massive number requirement with a slow build time and only two ways in the game to farm it that ignores the slow build requirement, Plague Star or a .5% chance on a 3rd cache on Earth Sabotage

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StandsInStupid•

Someone has to spend money on it at some point, if no one does we do not have a game. If you don't want to spend anything perhaps you should adjust your goal away from building everything or at the very least adjust your expectations for how fast it should be.

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