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Advice to Improve Japanese Fluency

Hi! My first post so I apologize if it's not written well. To give some background, I've been a JET in a very inaka area for over a year. I went from knowing only the very basic (name, hobbies, hometown) to becoming nearly fluent in listening and speaking.

I've met many of the other local JET's in my prefecture. Many do a lot of things to improve their Japanese conversation ability such as self-studying (usually for JLPT), reading & watching things in Japanese, etc., which is great! But when it comes to some having a conversation in Japanese, they're almost completely lost. A common idea in JET's is that the inaka JET's learn and become fluent in Japanese exponentially faster than JET's living in the city. Many think that it's a benefit that only inaka JET's can get, but that's honestly bullshit. If you're living in Japan and outside of the military base, you have the same amount of chances to be exposed to Japanese as the next person. The biggest difference is taking proactive steps that work for you. If you're in Japan and want to learn and become fluent in Japanese, you are extremely lucky to be here whether its in the city or the countryside.

Below are some advice that I have done throughout the year that has greatly improved my fluency. Unfortunately, it isn't really geared for those that are just beginning to learn Japanese and is more so for the ones that are at least at a higher basic level.

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  1. Speak Japanese to everyone other than your JTE's and other native English speakers, even if you suck at it. Sounds simple, but it can be very embarrassing and hard to get used to, and it even took me a while to do this.
  2. Google translate is good for looking up words and short phrases, not full sentences or explanations. If you want to double check if its the right word, you can use https://ejje.weblio.jp/ and type the word in Japanese.
  3. Your environment and the use of the words/utterances in a realistic setting is very underrated in language learning. Here's an example: I want to send a package back home and I want to know the price of the shipping costs. Now, lets say I don't know what "send" means in Japanese. So before I head into the post office, a quick look into google translate tells me the meaning is "okuru". I literally use that word 1 minute later when I ask the post office worker. I've just learned and retained the word "okuru" in 1 minute without studying.
  4. Learn to paraphrase based on what you know. Assuming the situation is the same as the one right above, you don't even need to translate the word "shipping costs", you can literally say something basic like "アメリカ に にもつ を おくりたいです。いくらですか?" (I want to send a package to America, how much is it?) and they'll understand what you mean. Is that the native way to say it? hell no. but nobody cares and you shouldn't either.
  5. Be independent. Don't always rely on your coordinator or your Japanese friend to do things for you unless it is extremely complex or you know the vocabulary will be way over your head (ex: insurance, taxes, etc.). It can be stressful and embarrassing, but it was more embarrassing for myself to be a full grown adult and not be able to do simple tasks. Refer to steps #2-4.
  6. You don't need to understand everything right at that instant. A lot of times we'll want to understand every single word that is being said to us, and we'll panic in our heads when we don't understand a certain word and try to decipher it. The reality is that you can get far if you just pay attention to the topic/subject and the verb. Ex: If someone says "とりあえず、6時 に あいましょう” (for now, lets meet at 6) you don't really need to understand what "とりあえず" means in order to understand what they're saying.
  7. You don't have to speak perfectly. If someone says to you in English "You breakfast eat?", you understand what the person is trying to say even if it sounds strange. If you can understand your students broken English, they can understand your broken Japanese.
  8. Speaking, listening, reading, and writing are all different things. Just because you learned how to read and write a bunch of kanji, it doesn't mean you can translate that knowledge into conversation. On the flip side, I can listen and speak at a conversational level but if you want me to read you something in kanji you're probably better off asking an elementary school student.
  9. You'll get to a point where you really start to get a grasp of the language, but you of course don't know all the words in the dictionary. If someone says a word that you don't understand, just ask them to try and explain what it is. People will either explain it in basic Japanese or do their best in broken English.
  10. Self-studying works as long as your open to try new things and see what works for you. Personally, I can't effectively memorize a word or grammar point if I just repeat it to myself in my head. I need to use it in a realistic setting, but this doesn't necessarily mean I have to go out in public and find a way to say it. When learning a new word, I think of how I can use it in a real world situation, imagine myself in that situation, and either write down a sentence including that word or say it to myself. Sounds dumb but it works.

Some of these can become very mentally tiring and it takes a while to get used to, but it was worth it for me in the end. Hope this helps!

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Edit: I've made the mistake of using the term "fluent" loosely and not realizing that everyone's idea of it is different. My idea of "fluent" was generally being able to have a smooth conversation with anyone without having to pause or think of what I want to say next. I did not mean to use the term in a way that made it sound like I was at a native level at all. This post wasn't supposed to be about me, I posted this for others to get over a hump that they often struggle with. I see where I fucked up and I apologize for coming off this way.

On a side note, if someone can explain how a person is discredited of their Japanese abilities because they haven't taken the JLPT, which only assesses reading and listening, please do because I am legitimately confused.

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I think the best way to become fluent in Japanese is to admit you suck, even when you think you're getting good. Japanese mastery is a long, long endeavor for those of us who are not native. Japanese will always say "wow, your Japanese is great!". I've heard that for four years, but I still know I suck. I listen to children on the train that have a vocabulary, grasp of grammar patterns and understanding of colloquialisms that will take me years to master. That being said, every obaasan I talk to is nice enough to dumb down her conversations so that we can communicate effectively.

OP, keep at it, don't give up, but be realistic about your skills. This will help you in your studies.

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ragregoryCurrent JET - Iwate•

I like listening to little kids talk to their younger siblings. Still blows me away how much I don't understand, like give me your spongy brains kids I could really use it haha The people who take the time to make conversation at a level we need are actual saints ;v;

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japanese102•

What JLPT level are you certified in?

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[deleted]•

Never took it. But my Japanese is somewhat decent enough that 9/10 obachan's would agree my nihongo is in fact, jouzu desu ne.

Edit: I regret trying to be sarcastic as my comment has been taken seriously and is on JCJ. I've also made the mistake of using the term "fluent" loosely and not realizing that everyone's idea of it is different. My idea of "fluent" was generally being able to have a smooth meaningful conversation with anyone. I did not mean to use the term in a way that made it sound like I was at a native level at all. This post wasn't supposed to be about me, I posted this for others to get over a hump that they often struggle with. I see where I fucked up and I apologize for coming off this way.

On a side note, if someone can explain how a person is discredited of their Japanese abilities because they haven't taken the JLPT, which only assesses reading and listening, please do because I am legitimately confused.

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japanese102•

So.. you're self assessed "fluent in Japanese" after one year..?

Im a self assessed doctor. I've watched tons of medical shows.

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hisokafan88•

Mate! I'm an olympian! How? not from hard work, nahhh, I went to the gym and was told by the worker I look "tsuyoi! Mechakucha ikemen da!" so like, now I can def weightlift professionally.

While I applaud OP for gaining the confidence to speak (it truly is a good skill to learn), and while I think it's grand you shared your experience, it's hubris to assume you're fluent because you learned and applied "okuru" one time at JP.

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I thought my comment was sarcastic enough lol. From experience, if I can get by speaking to anyone daily, have long and insightful conversations with others, I'd say that its close to being fluent at a conversational level. If I'm wrong then I apologize and I'll just delete that statement.

The JLPT consists a lot of reading which I've stated that I suck at. Being able to at least listen and speak in Japanese was an absolute must in my fist year so that's what I focused on. I didn't find it worth it to take the test at least this point in time until I learn how to read more kanji.

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mstsgtpeppa•

Don't worry, a lot of people have different ideas of what "fluent" is and if you personally are comfortable enough with the language and get what you need out of it then that's great. I avoid the term "fluent" as it's pretty loaded and means different things to different people, some might say fluency is near native level so when you're not they might scoff at your use of the word, others would say fluency is instead just the ability to talk and get by with the locals well enough.

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longroad1994•

> its close to being fluent at a conversational level

> fluent

> a conversational level

as someone who is supposed to be an english teacher and is telling people how to learn japanese, surely would would know words have meaning

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autosnakes•

My idea of "fluent" was generally being able to have a smooth meaningful conversation with anyone.

This is "conversational". Your idea of "fluent" is quite flawed, please refer to a dictionary.

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hammy7•

Simple case of the Dunning-Kruger effect

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Shiola_Elkhart•

4th-year Inaka JET here. My perception of a lot of foreign English teachers who live in the city but don't know a lick of Japanese after years of being here is that they're distracted and/or lazy. They often say "I don't have time to study" while going to the bar every other night with other people in their English bubble. Or they'll be glued to their J-vlog social media life on the train when they could be using learning apps. Having an entire country to practice the language in is a great opportunity, so don't waste it by thinking that you'll just learn through osmosis. If you really want to learn, stop making excuses and make the time to put the work in and study.

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japanese102•

You remind me of that commercial on TV where the guy is yelling at the viewer. "So get off your butt, get off the couch, do something with your life."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbYGDpexy98

Telling people how to spend their time is even shittier advice than OPs.

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seataytleCurrent JET•

Stop using google translate. Just use a dictionary app like jisho that has certified example sentences. Google translate spits out a ton of bs all the time.

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ragregoryCurrent JET - Iwate•

Of course it does. It always has, I don't know what OP feels they had to impart that great knowledge.
There's a reason we tell our students to not use google translate, and it's not bc it's "cheating", it's the gobbledygook it creates in English.

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LazyCrepes•

jijsho's sentences are from tatoeba, which by the sounds of it are generally good, but there are some mixed in there that aren't accurate. So take them with a grain of salt. best way to be sure is to bounce it off a native.

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seataytleCurrent JET•

Well obviously.... but like i cant just pull a native speaker out of my pocket. Jisho is a better online/app resource for looking up japanese words quickly

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Actinism•

As a foreign language speaker, YES to all of this. In my experience, the two golden rules are:

Look up things you want to say, remember it and then use it. You cannot learn anything if you don't do this. Constantly think about language.

Stop being a boring asshole who only talks to other people in their native language. Yes, it's easy to stay in the comfort zone and speaking foreign is painful, but grow up and stick with it, it will make you infinitely less boring compared to people who only socialise and talk to their specific nationality/background.

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Kai_973Current JET - 高知県•

Stop being a boring asshole who only talks to other people in their native language.

Lol, at first I read this as "Stop being a boring asshole who only talks to (Japanese) people in (Japanese)"

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tanteitrashFormer JET - 富山県 2017-2018•

I found improvising to be super helpful and it was something I taught my students to do. I didn't know how to say I was a beginner (初心者) at Japanese, so I said, "日本語の赤ちゃんです." Everyone understood and laughed. Then someone taught me how to say it the right way LOL.

Make mistakes. Have fun with them while you're at it.

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ragregoryCurrent JET - Iwate•

Having to tell other adults who teach language that google translate doesn't work for full sentences?
True genius, I'll have to tell my students tomorrow! Now I know why their essays are always weird....🙄

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powerphail•

Very useful, thanks for posting!

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Kai_973Current JET - 高知県•

https://ejje.weblio.jp/ definitely isn't bad, but for translations of short phrases, 英辞郎 on the Web is always my first stop. Try searching "気が" (without quotes) to get a feel for it. It works for E → J phrases, too.

The only real drawback IMO is that you sometimes have to try switching words to or from kanji to get results, e.g. a search for きが won't find any of the results that 気が does. (A better example would be かかる and 掛かる returning different results despite being the same word, and despite being a word that often appears as kana.)

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poilsoup2•

I really like romajidesu.com, it works well for decently long sentences

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japanese102•

OP What if I told you im a genius. I have the biggest brain. The best brain. I am a level 10 intellect with the biggest and top IQ. Fastest IQ in the world.

I did not graduate high school.

How am I discredited just because I didn't graduate from HS?

Still confused?

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[deleted]•

It depends, are we still cirlejerking? I'm willing to answer if you actually want to have a serious and civil debate, and I'd be genuinely happy if you changed my mind.

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japanese102•

Not my job to change your mind.

If you're fluent in Japanese without any kind of qualification or certification from a legitimate organization, then by God you are fluent.

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[deleted]•

Fair enough. I'll give in to your ideals and remind myself that any bilingual speakers aren't actually fluent until they pass a written test. I'll also remember that nothing anybody says is valid until they've shown proof of a certificate or degree, including your statements of the JLPT

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ragregoryCurrent JET - Iwate•

Come on, you can't compare yourself to bilinguals/those who grow up in bilingual homes after only1 year here xD
I studied German for 8 and still wouldn't boast a "fluency".

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