Canadians, You Rock. Sincerely, An American

I'm watching Breaking Ranks on the Documentary Channel about Canadians helping American soldiers who've defected by providing legal representation (ironically from an American who defected from the Vietnam war and obtained legal status) as well as Canadian host families who've provided a home, food, support etc.

Canadians, it may be cold as hell up there, but I can see that you keep the place warm with your kind and generous hearts. The government denied these guys refugee status, but the Canadian families keep supporting and helping these Americans. It makes me grateful to you. This is the second documentary I've seen where Canadians and Canadian resources were used to help Americans when our own country would not.

TL;DR Canadians you rock.

Posted Nov 29, 2010, 8:09 AM UTC

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smacksawQuébec•

If Canadians wanted to help, they should send these people back and help them fund a defence to the charges. Even if these people were allowed to stay, we still have an extradition treaty.

If they believe the war was illegal and authorised under false pretence, let them fight it in court. If they're going to end up getting hosed no matter what, at least have your say in court. Stand up for what's right.

You have to understand something: Canada has a very generous refugee program and people abuse it. If people don't stop abusing it, things will change and the TRULY NEEDY will not have access to it any longer. So, an American like myself from a 1st-world country tying up the refugee claims is actually really fucking lame when there are people who are victims of genocide, gangs, military regimes, etc who are trying to get their cases properly adjudicated whilst Americans should be fighting their government at home. Every second wasted on a refugee claim from the USA where a legitimate foreign person is in fear of their family's safety abroad and wants to be legal so they can bring them over...no...seriously, fuck these deserters. Send them home now. Get them the fuck out of the line that truly desperate people are in.

I have limited sympathy for these people. My sympathy is limited because even the most uneducated country bumpkin who joined the military with an 85 IQ knows they own you. If you're smart enough to know something is wrong, you're supposed to use the chain of command and the law, not run away.

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Inkshaper•

It is not like a Canadian to disrespect someone's decision, particularly the decision of someone who is under distress. I understand that once you have made a commitment to your nation's army you ought to follow through but there is such a thing as making a mistake. This is true in more ways than one. Signing up to begin with could have been one such a mistake or maybe deserting could be a mistake. Either way, as a Canadian I recognize that people make mistakes and this can put them in a situation where they need help working out their situation (note that by this I do not mean "get out of" their situation). This is what I understand by "wanting to help". I other words, I am there to provide support because I recognize other people to be just as able to get themselves out of trouble as they are of making mistakes. To "send these people back" against their will, as you imply here, doesn't help.

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Adbo•

This is too nuanced a topic to be treated this way; while I agree that there are people in this world that exist in circumstances we can hardly imagine, this does not mitigate the circumstances that drives these US soldiers to seek refuge up here. Both circumstance situations deserve equal consideration IMO. In a modern society, agents of the government should have the opportunity to back out if they are being asked to perform illegal acts...

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IdealforLiving•

The thing is I'm reasonably sure that they do. There are programs for conscientious objectors in the US military. There are legal means of getting out of service that you have moral issues with which is why I don't really understand desertion in these cases.

Perhaps someone who understands the US side of this would be able to explain more for us?

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Adbo•

Even if that is the case, it's not difficult to understand why someone in that situation might be suspicious of those programs.

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IdealforLiving•

Of course they might be suspicious. However, it takes moral courage to do the right thing and it isn't easy. I don't really blame people for not having the fortitude to actually do the right thing in these circumstances; it must be terrifying and especially back in 2003 when the war drums were at a fever pitch.

That easier road of deserting to Canada, while understandable, strikes me as somewhat untenable and I'd prefer simply for reasons of moral certainty and consistency that some of these people remained in the US, went through the process and either exposed it as a sham or showed that it could work and was a viable alternative for soldiers who object to the war.

Imagine what a powerful statement that might have been.

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silverbullet1•

This, a thousand times this.

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RambleManNorthwest Territories•

Tom Brokaw explains Canada to Americans, produced and presented for the Vancouver 2010 Olympics.

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[deleted]•

Hey the more good hearted ethical people under one roof the marrier. We need them, as much as they need us, it's how we try and keep our christian conservatives at bay, by importing like minded people.

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JayBeCee•

I apologize for the rudeness of some of my countrymen.

The correct response to a compliment as kind as yours is thank you. Thank you for the positive perspective on our country. It means a lot coming from an American.

We know we're not perfect, but it's nice to hear that what we do is appreciated.

Thank you.

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[deleted]•

It means a lot coming from an American.

I don't like that one bit. You seem a bit US worshippy.... kinda wierd dude. It means as much coming from an American as it does any other person on the world.

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[deleted]•

The proximity of the USA does not garuntee them any more significance. If your mom's a cunt, she's a cunt, no matter how much you may not want to admit it. Proximity does not garuntee significance in family nor in politics to me, you are who you are no matter what the relationship between us may be.

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JayBeCee•

You are welcome to your opinion.

It's not US worshippy at all. Like it or not the US is Canada's biggest partner. Tradewise, boarderwise, and to an extent culturewise. Yes Canada has a very distinct culture that is different...but it is hard not to notice some similarities, more so than any other country in the world.

If the world was a family the US would be our brother, and the rest our cousins, so yes I do think that it means a lot coming from an American.

Also....not a dude...

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[deleted]•

Our trading partnership has no bearing on the validity of his compliment. I personally appreciate the compliment 100%, but it would mean just as much coming from anyone from any country. The fact that you went out of your way to specifically refer to the increased validity of the compliment due to his nationality comes of as strangly subserviant, one of the only traits that pisses me off about some of my fellow Canadians.

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JayBeCee•

I am sorry that you feel that way. I do not feel subservient to the States in any way, and therefore I did not feel as though my comment came off that way. I know the sentiment you are reacting to, and I understand that. However I feel as though too many Canadians balk at the States unjustly...simply to counter this alternative. The extreme of either is what really pisses me off personally.

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keeleOntario•

How come no one thanks us for doing anything important, like saving Randy Quaid?

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mmca•

Why, yes, we sure do!

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B1ackmath•

Thanks guy, you americans are pretty cool too but I wish you'd do something about your government eh.

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Hoblin•

Glad we could help, I only wish we could have done more to help defectors during the gulf war and the iraq war.

Its shameful that we didnt allow deserters in those two times, hopefully we will have a better government the next time ur country wants to butcher millions of innocent civilians or no reason.

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