Cavalier Daily: “Title IX found the student responsible. He still received his degree.”
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cavalierdaily.comPosted Dec 20, 2019, 6:21 PM UTC
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cavalierdaily.comIn his opinion, Judge Conrad wrote that the student, who had a job lined up for the fall that was contingent upon him receiving his degree, could face “irreparable harm” should the University expel him or suspend his degree.
Wow.
“Any prejudice or inconvenience” to Estes, he added, would be outweighed by the potential consequences for the student if the review panel hearing proceeded.
Disgusting. I don't see how judges keep ruling in favor of rapists because of the harm they might face if they're punished.
I wish she would file suit against both the rapist and UVA, but I understand if she just wants to move on from all of it given how much of an ordeal it was.
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the harm they might face if they're punished
God forbid they feel the pain of their criminal choices.
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Uva really needs to crack down on underage drinking
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I don’t understand why this is getting downvoted. It’s an entirely separate issue from sexual assault and rape - no, alcohol is not a reason or excuse for what happened. But why is an 18 year old high school student able to go to bars around UVa? We all know how, but why does the University keep this huge liability in the surrounding area?
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I completely agree. Most college students are underage, and most college students drink. At the same time, it’s fair to ask why UVA does so little to prevent underage drinking. My personal theory is that most law enforcement and UVA staff don’t want to get students in trouble for “having a little fun.”
But this allows a particular culture to thrive and certain behaviors to become commonplace. Because we avoid punishing students for blatant underage drinking, it becomes a pandemic and leads to bars letting in high school students—and sometimes even to events like these.
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Spot on
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Because this view isn't "cool," and doesn't fit in with the typical 18-year-old's mindset. God forbid we follow the law and make reasonable choices! Sucks what happened with the girl but it does seem like she made several questionable decisions
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She went to the bar at 18, surely she deserved that!
Never ceases to amaze how people will blame the victim to feel better about the world.
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I don't believe she deserved what happened. I don't think anyone deserves to be raped, and if one does, I worry for them.
From the article alone, we can observe:
- The girl voluntarily chose to go to a bar, knowing that she was underage, and that she was breaking the law.
- The girl said she would limit how much she would drink, and then proceeded to not stop after she reached her limit. She also said she "wanted to be more careful than usual" being around strangers, and then she stayed with strangers.
- The girl broke off from her friends and stayed with one guy (a stranger).
- The girl's phone was dead. One should know to keep your phone charged when going to an unfamiliar place, or to bring a charger.
- The girl then chose to walk to the guy's apartment, in her condition.
At any point she could have chosen to go home, and she didn't.
Yes, it's unfortunate what happened. At the same time, it was pretty telegraphed. No, her age did not cause this all to happen- though it wouldn't have happened in the first place had she followed the law.
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The bars on the corner need to crack down, but they make a fair bit of money from underage drinkers.
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Repulsive. So sad to see this happening- disappointed with the judge’s opinion. Seems very reminiscent of Brock turner’s case.
The most interesting part to me is that somehow a court proceeding affected a Title IX proceeding. I understand if evidence is not sufficient for a criminal conviction, but I don’t think it should overturn the University’s ruling.
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