Could Seattle try this to solve the homeless crisis?
Posted Dec 21, 2019, 1:20 AM UTC
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Have you tried...kill all the poor?
(edit: in case a moderator reading or concerned citizen believes this violates the rule against inciting violence, it's merely a humorous reference to this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owI7DOeO_yg. Yes I'm willing to kill the joke--but not the poor.)
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I thought you were going for a DKs reference, but that's good, too.
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Play ethnicy jazz to parade your snazz on your 5 grand stereo
Bragging that you know that who feels cold?
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And the slums have so much soul
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Have you tried...kill all the poor?
So... the Vlad Țepeș approach?
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I once dated a girl who said, "Kill the poor is my favorite song, I hate the poor too."
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At least they're giving them fair warning
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Ok, jokes aside, and I'm not suggesting cutting anyone in half, but what is the deal with the huge number of SUPER aggressive homeless people? I'm new to the area, but I lived in the SF Bay Area before, so I'm no stranger to aggressive panhandlers, but up here you seem to get an entirely different breed: people walking around angrily shouting at "no one", but very clearly addressing passersby and trying to get someone to interact with them, seemingly so they can escalate the situation. I've seen several doing this with a hand tucked under their shirt as if to indicate carrying a weapon (whether they actually have one or not, such premeditated posturing makes mental disorders like schizophrenia seem less likely). Many of these people seem fairly well-groomed and healthy. So, like, what's the deal, Seattle?
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Meth is very common here. Also, our state mental hospital in Western WA is full and a lot of people who should be committed just....aren't.
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I'm working with a guy right now who has been involuntarily committed twice in the last few months. They give him meds and send him back. He gets back and has the same problems. Makes violent threats at neighbors and staff which is the only way he can even get committed. Just breaking things (in common areas and apartment) and repeatedly yelling random highly inappropriate things at people isn't enough. Last I heard they plan to send him back and he will be evicted because the landlord just can't deal with it any more. The neighbors are all getting traumatized from all the behavior, the property management staff is concerned about their safety, and the city is now charging fines for false fire alarms.
But mental health says he's fine to return.
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Nah SF definitely has people with similar issues. I lived in Hayes valley and waking up to random shouting was not an unfamiliar experience
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I feel that it's a bit different here. Like in SF (admittedly didn't live in the city, but worked there) I usually got the feeling that people doing it were legitimately mentally unwell...here it just seems like harassment and bullying under the pretense of mental health issues.
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I see. I can't really say if that's true or untrue. I think SF is denser in population so the harassment may have been less visible. Also entirely possible that these two cities have different strategies and resources available that affect which type of people we see on the streets. The bay also has Oakland, East Bay, and San Jose to spread people out?
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Like I said, it's just a feeling based on limited experience. As you say, the SF Bay Area covers a much larger area, and I can't claim to be familiar with the daily experience of the entire area. I just remember being surprised by how frequently I encounter actively hostile homeless people here in Seattle. Maybe I'm just glossing over similar experiences in other large cities, but it does seem worse here.
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They're probably legitimately pissed off that they've been priced out of their homes.
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Drugs and untreated mental disorders. Came out of a Safeway last week and moved around a guy just standing in front of cars, trying to move through the parking lot, yelling. I became his target as a result of moving around him. Started yelling all sorts of nonsense and followed me for a bit. And I wasn't even near Seattle. It's spreading though.
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The problem here is that we have a group of people that had mental health issues, usually exacerbated with drugs, and let them "choose" to be homeless. Not a direct choice but an indirect choice where they couldn't live in a community of people. And instead of making the tough choices to help them we have leadership that says let them live on the street. Then on the streets they go through trauma, as happens on the streets, and it sets their mental health off which makes them aggressive.
Many of these people seem fairly well-groomed and healthy.
It's about choices. People under trauma often still want to be groomed so they do that between episodes.
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We give and give and they expect more and more. When they don't get it... Attack
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I’m sorry but what exactly do “we” give to people experiencing homelessness?
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An interesting question. Obviously the knee-jerk response to homeless issues is "you bleeding heart liberals bring it on yourselves by being too nice", but I'd be curious to see an unbiased examination of the causes (and maybe potential solutions?) to such problems.
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Unfortunately, with the current state of science/medicine locking them up in mental institutions is probably the only solution. These people you hear yelling on the streets are also doing the same thing in their apartment. And no one wants that as a neighbor.
We give them meds and if they don't take them or combine them with drugs/alcohol it can set them off. And then they also go through traumatic events on the streets or by their (horny) neighbors which also sets them off and can make things worse.
I wish there was a better solution but what we are doing now isn't working. It doesn't help them and it hurts the people who live around them. Institutionalizing them sucks but I just don't see any better solution.
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What is it you feel we’re giving too much of?
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Everything. Our city is a joke because they can do what they want and get away with it. House got robbed, caught the guy on my ring camera, know what homeless camp nearby he is at, and here is the police "oh well, it's a homeless man, what do you want us to do?, He will be back out in no time"
So what? Being homeless makes it fine to just steal, pile up trash, defecate where ever and be a rude fucked up prick? And by all means if you disagree, let them into your homes so they aren't homeless anymore and change their ways.
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Ok, jokes aside, and I'm not suggesting cutting anyone in half, but what is the deal with the huge number of SUPER aggressive homeless people?
It's part of The Seattle Freeze:
In California, if a vagrant is super aggressive, eventually he's going to get his ass kicked. Sooner or later he's going to say something to someone who will break his ribs. Due to this, vagrants keep to themselves.
In Seattle, people pretend the vagrants aren't there, when they're screaming in their face. Vagrants understand there's no consequence for their actions.
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We don't arrest people unless they hurt someone, and even then, maybe not.
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It's called being progressive
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Then I suppose we'll have to call them "people experiencing halfness"?
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Halvsies?
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Radioactive decay really decreases the population after a few halflifes but the long tail is brutal.
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As someone who has been accosted homeless on the 5 bus, I don’t hate it.
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stealing their legs seems a bit cruel
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Maybe they are leaving the legs and taking the rest.
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They won't have arms.
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It's simple. Give them three options. Shelter, treatment or jail. Shitting up the streets is not a right when you're violating the civil rights of everyone else.
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Sounds gruesome
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I don't know if this is a r/conspiracy thought, but I sense that this word choice is very intentional gaslighting on the Tories part, party supporters get to feel the implication of disregard, gross unfathomable violence, in effect increasing hostility toward homeless, while those critical of the angle will just be told 'how can you imagine that's what this means? your'e sick!"
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This is a prank. It isn't a real Tory ad
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oh yeah look at that, its like copy paper pasted over.
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Bahaha
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Nah... need to virtue signal with more tranny strippers.
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Thanos effect.
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You mean make a bad movie.....I think they did that.
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That’s one way to end homelessness.
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I really HOPE that NONE OF YOU fall of your pedestals and end up without your warm beds.
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But the problem will be contained
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FUND IT!
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Time to buy stock in Bandaids
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doesn’t this double their numbers?
Only for the meth zombies. So yeah, about double.
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But only half as big.
I prefer my zombies to be full sized. The small ones start riding things and move twice as fast. They tend to be harder to deal with.
It also explains the drug free camps. If you have one user nearby it's going to keep everyone else from sleeping. Eventually they will start seeing 'flying phantoms'.
It is becoming obvious we don't need more housing. We can save money with larger houses with more beds.
Eventually we can stick some in trains or on a ferry and move them to another town. I suggest simple jobs like farming, tradesmen, butchers or librarians. We shoud also try gardening to restore the local bee population.
They did this in The Walking Dead and it totally doesn’t get rid of them.
Like planeria?
No idea, my intentions were purely absurdist. I do not usually get that much karma this side of r/dadjokes.
Yeah they regenerate like starfish. Not a good idea.
Sounds like we should be celebrating. Anyone know a stripper we could hire?
Came here to say the same thing!
Me too haha.
No they will be shorter homeless people. Like mini homeless.