UPDATE: That weightlifting chump who shoves people on the train is getting managed out (suprise!) for being too stupid to ALT. 40% pay cut.

they gave me an unfair test with an unfair assessment and deem i am stupid so i am getting a 40% pay cut. Will u continue working when u r disrespected

A real cerebral type.

He gets what he fucking deserved

This dude can't be real, right?

He's definitely thick as pig shit if he is real.

Plot twist: one of the guys he shoved in the train is actually his boss.

Hahahahahahahaha. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Maybe his salary was just...

... way bigger than yours.

God I went deep down the rabbit hole on this one, what an insufferable asshole

I need to step up my copy game lol

Question about overwork in Japan

I am currently looking for a new job mainly seishain (正社員). I noticed that most of the jobs mention something about overwork being included in the monthly salary. Example: ——— 月給32万円以上+賞与年2回 月給の金額には月40時間分(5万円以上)のみなし残業代が含まれます。超過分は別途支給いたします。 ——— (320000 Yen) 基本給 Main Monthly Salary. However, in the details, they mention something like 320000 Yen includes 40 hours as (fixed overwork固定・みなし残業) . 50000 Yen for 40 hours overwork is included in 320000 Yen basically salary. So, if I want to get paid for any overwork, I have complete 40 hours which is included in my contract. Making a quick calculation, it seems that it is normal that I should work everyday 8 hours+ 2 hours overwork. The total is 10 hours a day. This system seems to be very legal Japan. Here are my questions:

1. as foreigners working in Japan, do you do 固定・みなし残業 fixed overwork on daily basis?
2. Are we required by the law to do the 固定・みなし残業 fixed overwork, the one included in our salaries?
3. If we are not obliged by the law to do it, then what are the times in which we must do the overwork?

u/BodaciousRS:

Normal workers (正社員) are desperately trying to hold on to their jobs by doing free overtime while non-permanent workers can be let go at any time. This has been my personal experience with working in Japan, not sure what the overall community thinks.

That made me start to wonder, is 正社員 really better?
Fyi, i have been a 正社員 before at a black company... eventho i was a permanent worker but my department wasn't making money, so they wanted to get rid of us. They got rid of me by giving me a surprise test, and when i couldn't give them the textbook answer word for word, they questioned my passion for the company... Which was totally BS because the last 2 weeks i have been going to the office 1 hour earlier and going home 3 hours late just to finish my task. Them questioning my loyalty for the company proves that they don't appreciate me, which is reason enough for me to leave. As soon as i tendered my resignation, another guy from my department got targeted and pretty sure they got rid of him too.

So at the end of the day, 正社員(supposedly job security but free OT) vs 契約社員/派遣 (higher pay but highly dispensable) .... which is better? You decide.

u/Nyantoka:

Serious question here, how would they even get rid of you as a 正社員?

The rules of employment for my company are pretty clear, 正社員 cannot be simply fired. It takes 1.5 years on an unsuccessful performance improvement plan (which needs to be officially documented including HR mediation and achievable goals) until someone can be kicked out. And even then they can involve the union and try to keep their job or simply to get transferred within the company. Of course they don't make this common knowledge throughout the company, so that especially foreign managers like to threaten to fire people.

u/BodaciousRS:

Their first tactic was to accuse me of something absurd, followed by a 40% pay cut should i choose to stay (because i failed their test and am dumb to them)... I quickly realize they wanted to get rid of me, and it doesnt matter how, they will find a way. No passion for my job was a big insult to me, i couldnt take it so i resigned. Meh, the pay wasnt great anyway. Not sure of the legality of all of this.

u/gsdfsdgfjkingsfd:

and it doesnt matter how, they will find a way.

That right there is the mistake every employee does.

Fuck the company, they willl NOT find a way, because it's not possible. You can simply collect your salary with 0 overtime and threaten them with your lawyer should anything happen or any power play be established.

u/BodaciousRS:

Yeah but they gave me an unfair test with an unfair assessment and deem i am stupid so i am getting a 40% pay cut. Will u continue working when u r disrespected and for 60% of your pay?

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