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LBJS4DAYS

12-13 Miami Heat vs 16-17 Cleveland Cavaliers vs 19-20 LA Lakers Which is the better team?

Rank these Lebron teams from best to worst. Also which team would come out on top if the three teams played each other in a series?

Posted Jan 6, 2020, 5:02 PM UTC

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jaylson[BOS] Larry Bird•

12-13 heat is the best team of the 3.

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loudanduneducatedEast•

Yup.

You are getting peak Lebron. Davis might be better than Wade or Bosh but I would rather take the two all-stars as opposed to the 1 singular star.

Then the role players/bench was better for the 2012-2013 heat.

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MiopTopLakers•

Yeah but there's a reason the '09 Cavs won as many games as the '13 Heat did. Fit matters. Wade/LeBron was almost a clunky fit. They made it work because there was just that much talent but that duo was less than the sum of its parts.

LeBron/AD is the opposite.

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loudanduneducatedEast•

The 2012-2013 Heat went 66-16 and had a 27 game win streak during the season. They also had the best record in the NBA by 6 more wins than the next closest.

You can argue for all you want, but that was the best team Lebron has ever played for period.

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MiopTopLakers•

The 2008-09 Cavs went 66-16 too lmao. In a MUCH tougher conference, where they had to compete with the Celtics and Magic, both of which were 60-win caliber teams.

Nobody in the East in '13 even won 50 games...

'09 Cavs had a better point differential. They were better both offensively and defensively per100.

'13 Heat are the most talented team LeBron ever played for. But regular season wise, the '09 Cavs are right there for "best" team.

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LBJS4DAYSOP•

I see your point but do you think the difference between that heat lebron and this current LA lebron is greater than the difference between a consistently hobbled wade and bosh vs davis? Also the overall supporting cast for this Lakers team and the shooter they have is amazing sure there is no dead eye like ray allen ofc

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loudanduneducatedEast•

That Lebron was 2nd in DPOY voting and one of the most efficient players of all time.

Wade and Bosh were both great players.

And the Heat bench goes further than just Ray Allen, they also have Battier who was way better than his no score indicated.

I’d take the Heatles pretty easily, but I wouldn’t fault someone for taking LA, but we don’t really know how good they are yet.

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LBJS4DAYSOP•

Yeah I agree lebron was amazing but this season AD is arguably DPOY and Lebron is still great but in a different way he is facilitating more and leading the league in assists.

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yrogregHeat•

Wade was consistently hobbled in 2012-2013?

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LBJS4DAYSOP•

I would say Wade was injury prone after the 10-11 season for sure

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gregstiemsmaNuggets•

The 2011-2012 Charlotte Bobcats

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LBJS4DAYSOP•

The GOAT team

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LucaNoDoncic•

lakers/lebron fans are somethin else man

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MiopTopLakers•

Lakers are on pace to win more games than any LeBron team ever. This is hardly a ridiculous question.

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BigbadbuckNets•

No they're not they're on pace to win 66 which would tie the 09 cavs and 13 heat.

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MiopTopLakers•

They have a higher W% by a hair, which means on pace for more wins.

Hint : just because we usually round win pace to even numbers doesn’t mean we have to...

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TatumBoomedMe•

12-13 Heat

16-17 Cavs

We don’t know about the lakerw

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dropdatdurkadurk•

Heat 13>Cavs 17

We'll see about LA. But Heat 13 Id give the edge as of now

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LBJS4DAYSOP•

Seeing the potential of this Lakers team they seem to have a chance to be the best of all three of them. The size the lakers have is something lebron never had on either the heat or the cavs (bosh and TT)

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henstobs11[LAL] Marcelo Huertas•

This Lakers team also shows the potential to lose to the lottery teams due to how much our bench sucks ass.

That Heat team with Peak LeBron and solid overall team would beat us more times than not.

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MiopTopLakers•

This Lakers team also shows the potential to lose to the lottery teams due to how much our bench sucks ass.

Pretty poor argument. We're like 21-0 against sub .500 teams at this point...

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henstobs11[LAL] Marcelo Huertas•

The problem with those 21-0 is most, if not all, close games were purely because of the superstar duo.

The games we should be winning comfortably turn out to be just barely won games. We've consistently played subpar for how we should actually be playing.

We're not winning against great teams in a 7-game series with our bench as is. It took an activated LeBron in the 3rd and a historic block party to secure a win vs. a depleted fucking Pistons team. That's a pretty big tell.

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LBJS4DAYSOP•

Potential yes but they haven't lost to any lottery teams, 7 of their 3 losses are to the clippers and bucks arguably two best teams in the league.

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rustyphishMavericks•

we're not even half way through the season, stop

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LBJS4DAYSOP•

I know its premature but going off their potential and what we have seen do you think they could be greater than the other two great lebron teams?

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rustyphishMavericks•

No idea

Making premature predictions is ridiculous to me. If we did this at this point last season, we’d have most likely predicted the warriors were one of the greatest teams of all time

Things change, it’s a longgggg season even before you account for the playoffs.

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TFP360Heat•

Heat

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nbamodssuckdick•

Heat. Wade could carry the team when Lebron sat.

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LBJS4DAYSOP•

Could he carry the team on the defense end like how AD is doing right now I am def not bashing on wade his 08-09 season was probably better than any season AD had ever but he was not better at carrying the load for lebron as well as AD is doing right now

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nbamodssuckdick•

Wade was far better at carrying the team than Davis is now. Davis was a -11 just last night. This season net rating:

Lebron + Ad = +13.08

Lebron without Ad = +10.36

Ad without Lebron = -5.55

https://www.pbpstats.com/wowy-combos/nba?TeamId=1610612747&Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular%2BSeason&PlayerIds=2544,203076

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BagelBites619[LAL] Dwight Howard•

Heat

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YouSickaTrail Blazers•

12-13 Miami
16-17 Cavs

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elbowgreaser1Lakers•

Gotta at least make the finals before we're in that discussion

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BigbadbuckNets•

Definitely the heat. Between the 17 cavs and 20 lakers I might give the edge to the lakers but we'll have to see. I like the lakers defensive edge but not sure how their offense is gonna hold up in the playoffs

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OpenPalm[LAL] Nick Van Exel•

Right now 12-13 Heat, but it could be this year's Lakers if they make some moves, like signing Collison and/or Iguodala.

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Emaculates•

Neither of those players would make a big difference against that Heat team

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EarthWarping•

12/13 heat, but that 16/17 cavs team has the best roster

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Primopastalover19•

12 Miami is better than all those team listed, then I’d go 17 Cavs, 16 Cavs, 13 Miami and 20 Lakers.

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Emaculates•

Heat easily

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16-17 cavs are underrated bc they coasted and obviously faced the warriors. Their offense was historically great. But the Heat were on another level defensively

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