Et si on comparait les Rangers et le Canadien?
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lapresse.caPosted Jan 9, 2020, 6:38 PM UTC
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lapresse.caThe difference is the Rangers were up front with their fans (they put out a newspaper article announcing a rebuild if I recall correctly) and fully committed to the rebuild.
That and they're able to sign top free agents (Panarin) and they have an unfair advantage in trades for players who want to play there (Trouba).
So yeah, that's why we're a shitshow and they aren't.
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So 1 year after starting a rebuild, they traded a 1st and spent a ton of money to get players in their prime now?
That's not really rebuilding.
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It's how the Rangers rebuild. They're a different type of franchise because New York is a top destination for players.
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Yeah, that's why I don't buy the "Montreal cant say rebuild". Rangers did it, we fucking can
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Yup. We're gonna miss the playoffs 4 of 5 years anyways so what's the difference?
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This is such a dumb excuse.
Who cares of the Rangers were upfront?
YOU should be smart enough to have an idea where the team is headed based on the roster regardless of what management says.
Personally, even last year, many here including myself said Habs would not be a shit show compared to the previous year based on roster. If we didn't lose Drouin and some others, I think we'd be in a much better place. Goaltending is key. While , we don't want to blame price for all the games he stole, he's simply not playing good. We like to say D but tanking teams have worse goalies and DMEN and their goalies are playing about the same as Price.
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I was just stating the facts of what the Rangers situation is.
Ps injuries are not an excuse for 2 x 8 game losing streaks this year. This team is a mess. Just accept it.
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I thought this was a pretty interesting comparison between two rather similar teams. On the one hand the Rangers are seen as going in the right direction, while the Canadiens are perceived as a total shitshow. In truth, they both seem to be going in the same direction with a complete reconstruction and retooling of their teams.
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The only difference is one team wrote a letter and the other didn't. When you're going to draft 33 times between the 18, 19 and 20 drafts... I think the road is pretty clear.
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Haha I said this exact thing yesterday.
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The truth is that one of these teams gets the most shots for per game in the NHL, and the other gets the least.
NYR going to be terrible for multiple years, while Habs are already good enough to perform.
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La seule différence est la transparence, les résultats n'en sont pas plus probants.
Mais soyons honnêtes: malgré leur longue histoire, les Rangers ne sont que la quatrième équipe des ligues majeures dans la ville de New York ; le Canadien est à toute fin pratique la seule à Montréal (bon oui, l'Impact et nanani nanana, vous me voyez arriver). Les Rangers ont plus de marge de manoeuvre d'un point de vue relation publique vis à vis de ses partisans. Et la ligne est extrêmement mince entre courage responsable et témérité suicidaire dans ce genre d'exercice.
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To be honest, I don’t think the Rangers are doing a great job either. They were smart to commit to a rebuild and be up front with fans, but then they went and signed Panarin and kind of fucked their plan.
I can’t really fault them since it’s hard to say no to that kind of talent, but I think they would have been better served bottoming out for a couple more seasons and grabbing a couple more top 5 picks before trying to be competitive again. Right now they are kind of stuck in no mans land, hoping Kakko and Krastov make an impact before guys like Panarin, Zabinajad, Kreider and Staal decline or leave.
So in that regard, I actually do think they are like the Canadiens.
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Le Canadien a conservé Carey Price et Shea Weber. Mais depuis février 2018, date de la fameuse lettre des Rangers, ils ont échangé Tomas Plekanec, Joe Morrow, Max Pacioretty, Andrew Shaw et Nicolas Deslauriers pour trois choix de deuxième ronde, Nick Suzuki, alors âgé de 19 ans, un choix de troisième ronde et deux choix de quatrième ronde.
C'est pas mal soft comme "reconstruction" on va se le dire. Dans mon livre à moé s'en ait pas une.
De ces joueurs échangés, 3 ne valaient pas grand chose anyway. Morrow et Deslauriers sont a peine des joueurs de la NHL et Plekanec était au pas de la retrsite. Seuls Pacioretty et Shaw en ont encore à donner.
Pour moi une équipe qui fait une réelle reconstruction va chercher plus qu'un bon prospect et des choix de deuxième ronde en échangeant 2 vétérans...
Tu vas pas chier loin avec tous les choix de rondes 4 à 7 accumulés.
Si tu adhères à la théorie que le CH a amorcé une reconstruction il y a 2 ans, j'ai un pont à te vendre.
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They won a top 2 pick in a huge draft (kakko) and picked panarin for free, thats y. Remove panarin and theyre racing the wings for lafreniere.
I think it’s specifically in regards to why are we considered to be failing but everyone is fine with the Rangers.
Furthermore, this is my own addition, no one considers Kakko a bust yet but he’s getting benched and scractched and isn’t producing yet Koktaniemi is already being called a bust, etc. even though Kotkaniemi and Kakko are closer in age than Kotkaniemi was to Tkachuk. The answer of course is that neither are busts but you get the point. And even the advanced stats said Kakko was one of the worst players in the NHL at the start.
Dont get me started on people that call KK a bust! Hes going to play with all stars cousins tonight, this is starting to make me sick... and people are trying to tell me he’s doing bad? I loved every shift he put with Drouin and Armia at the start of the season. Having good players really help progressing, lets just take into account the situation of Suzuki... yes he’s good defensively, he’s definitely better than Kk rn and I love Suzuki, but he’s getting way more opportunities than our mint boy and he’s eaten them to grow into a bigger player.
Then, I honestly love your reflexion on Kakko, it really shows how aggressive our media and fanbase is towards our own players, yet we call for defensive black holes like Gostisbehere when he’s available and hope he saves the day...
I don’t think people are calling him a bust. I think a lot of people think guys like Tkachuk and Hughes are going to be better than him and were drafted later than him
Thinking Tkachuk is better than Kotkaniemi is recency bias and nothing more.
I will never understand why people are surprised that the older, more physically mature guy is the better player right now. Be patient, we aren't competing any time soon.
NYR were the worst in the start by analytics.. and they still are.
Kakko has been SHIT this year. He’s been their worst player
Being shit is still better than average for the NYR.