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Posted Jan 12, 2020, 1:37 AM UTC
Had a unusual experience earlier today. It was a RP game, Mayor (his name was Mayor but he was also Mayor) asks for TP/LO and jailor does too. Jailor dies D2, everybody is salty at Mayor for asking for TP/LO when he wasn't jailor. Town votes him up and he claims mayor, but refuses to reveal on stand, stating he wants an achievement (getting voted inno by town on stand as mayor despite not revealing). He gets lynched, 8-1. Majority of town reports him for gamethrowing. Was the report invalid, or does the Mayor have to reveal on stand, no matter the circumstances?
The report was valid; it's generally considered throwing to not reveal as Mayor without a solid alternative defense.
May I ask why?
Usually, the Mayor's lynching several reduces the Town's chances of winning. Revealing on the stand is an extremely cheap move to prevent it, so not doing so almost always reduces your chances of winning.
Is this gamethrowing?
I was Godfather. On day 2, my Mafioso was 100% confirmed as Mafioso by a spy+lookout combination. In order to look like town, I voted for the 100% CONFIRMED MAFIOSO.
I then named the 5 people who didn't vote to get the confirmed mafioso up. 3 of them were town, 2 were Mafia.
I specifically went after 2 of the townies for suspicion first, but Mafia didn't care. Mafia accused me of gamethrowing and threw a tantrum.
One of my Mafia members then publicly said I was gamethrowing Mafia and a bunch of people got mad at me and reported me for apparently naming the entire Mafia.
My purpose was not to name the entire Mafia, it was to gain trust by naming the 5 people who didn't vote for the confirmed mafioso. By numbers I named more townies than Mafia members.
It's not my fault my Mafia didn't want to vote for confirmed evil.
That doesn't sound like throwing to me. It is an entirely sound strategy.
So. I was playing Ranked Practise just now. I got Transporter. This means nothing.
Anyway, later, about night 2, 3, or 4 I think, 3 was a Vigilante and shot the Mayor. They were found dead the next day and their will said that they were witched. Later that game, a Jester was lynched. As it turns out, 3 PURPOSELY SHOT THE MAYOR AND CLAIMED WITCHED AS THEIR EXCUSE! The Mayor was number 4, if anyone was in this game.
My original post on this got removed by a bot and it said to post this here, so I did. Pretty sure a Vigilante intentionally shooting a Mayor is throwing though.
Pretty sure a Vigilante intentionally shooting a Mayor is throwing though.
It is indeed, excluding the extremely rare case where the Vigilante becoming unable to shoot ends the game in Town's favour.
ok, thanks for clarifying.
So I prefer to go down in a hell storm. When I’m an evil faction/ ie. Vamp, coven, mafia, and or any other factions I’m forgetting, when I’m dying I’ll say in my will or maybe out loud “Sorry /Faction/ that I’m dying, didn’t mean to die like this, good luck my fellow /Faction/ members.” Then I proceed to list some names that ARNT part of the faction. Usually people I find annoying, or just quite. For example it 7 10 and 13 are mafia I’ll said “Goodluck 2 4 11! Hope you guys can win for me” the other members will understand that I’m messing with the town but usually I get “reported” I don’t do this all the time maybe 20% when I’m bad. Sometimes I’ll do it when I’m alone. Is this game throwing? Or is it just ruud lol
That's not throwing. If you want to add credibility to your claim, you can also add an actual teammate to it, but you must ask that teammate before you throw them under the bus.
I haven’t nor will throw a real teammate, the only ones I throw are dead ones and randoms
So today we had 2 different people in 2 different games who were claiming jailor and asking for tp/lo d1.D2 all tp lo esc was dead bcs these people were "veteran" actually. So these people are reported by most of the users in those games but I still can see them playing. When do these kind of people get banned?
In general, reports are handled via the Trial System, where other players aware of the rules judge whether a report is valid. Once the report is closed as guilty, the player is automatically suspended/banned by the system. I'm unfortunately not aware of how long the whole process takes from the moment the report is created.
Im pretty sure im not gamethrowing but some people said "report" so im curious,
So here is the situation, I roll witch Find ww N1 Find ret N2 Find forger N3 And it downs to 1 mafioso 1 vamp and 1 ww I control mafioso into vamp, vamp couldnt kill anyone Mafioso vs Ww and i exist I support ww and mafioso says: "These discord teamers, they suck, gamethrowing, report both ww and witch" I wasnt in a discord call, didnt even know the dude, can judges guilty me?
can judges guilty me?
Unless if you explicitly admitted to cheating in chat, no, they can't.
Sometimes, players can guess things out of pure luck, and the victims, who didn't witness all the failed attempts, will call them out for creating.
is refusing to claim when randomly voted up for role gamethrowing?
Unless if you believe you're better off getting lynched (e.g. Jester), yes, it is.
Why do people throw the game when they are mafia. I played a game where our consort decided to tell into the chat (spamming their copied message) who all of the mafia are and what their roles are, myself and my role being included. Okay, so you don’t get a role that you like but honestly don’t ruin it for everyone ffs.
When some players feel that the role they've gotten is too unfair to be worth trying, they give up and try to end the game as soon as possible (sometimes so that they can move on to another game). The easiest way of doing so as Mafia is to reveal all teammates to the Town.
I believe that the hopelessness that causes it is due to several factors:
Whilst I won't deny that Town has better odds, especially in high-level Ranked, it is still possible to compete with a bit of practice. However, once a player throws a game, they reject an opportunity to gain practice, and the cycle perpetuates, slightly harder to break than it was before.
A contributing factor may be what players enjoy doing. I think that many are more capable of determining the truth than of deceiving other players'. As a result, they may enjoy playing Town more than other roles, and so they are more likely to give up on "unfair" roles.
Finally, some of the players that do it derive more fun from the act itself than from playing Mafia seriously, but I don't think anything short of a significant change in mechanics can stop those players.
Damn
Is faking TP D1 as veteran a bad idea? I won win this tactic but i killed 2 townies in the process
Every time you use the strategy, write down how well it worked. Once you've used it a few times, you can look at your notes and work out the risk and reward of the strategy. If it's too much risk for not enough reward, then it's a bad idea.
I feel uneasy about this but lets go Ranked mode (We are silver, pretty low elo) I roll mayor Things happen theres only 1 maf left Mafia is confirmed So there is 4 town + me vs confirmed mafioso (jailor is alive) So i thought i would inno to make it look intense since there will be 4 guilties, but no, one dude abstains so i put him on the trial again, do the same thing and the guy on the stand says (lets say im number 4) "im on two accounts, 4 is my other account) so the inno-guilty thing happens only twice, third time gets guiltied, But my keyboard didnt open (im mobile user) i couldnt even say "no, this is bs, i dont even know this dude) i think we both got reported 4 times or something, im pretty sure we have a pretty different ip adress
You were probably reported, but I don't think you'll be banned because of it.
If you're unlucky and you do get banned, you can appeal by politely explaining what your reasoning was (as you've already done here).
Escort was rbing mafioso. And as a transporter I asked them to stop rb them so I could get mafia to team kill, it was 3v3 so the only way for us to win was for me to get a mafia to kill another. Upon asking this they get ultra defensive about how I'm about to throw the game (I'd throw a draw at best). Then they leave, making sure mafia wins while claiming I'm gamethrowing to be a hero. After they left I even managed to kill one of the mafia, but it was too late and they had majority.
Seems pretty obvious to me that if there is a win condition and the alternative is drawing, you should probably go for the win lol.
Then they leave, making sure mafia wins while claiming I'm gamethrowing to be a hero.
You weren't gamethrowing, but they were.
Seems pretty obvious to me that if there is a win condition and the alternative is drawing, you should probably go for the win lol.
Yes, that is correct.
I was reported for game throwing twice (in the same game btw) Everything was perfectly fine, was playing how I was supposed to (I was a vigi btw) and at day 5 or 6 I was asked to say my role. I, as you'd probably expect said my role and I wasn't hung. I ended up winning the game and 2 people in dead chat said I threw the game. I asked how I was game throwing and 3 other people asked the same and the 2 people in dead chat brought up when I said my role. I said I didn't game throw, I just said my role so I didn't get hung. And either way they reported me. Can someone from the high heavens explain how that was considered game throwing?
That doesn't sound like throwing to me, so I have no idea on what basis they were accusing you.
Ok so I was WW in a classic AllAny game, and at the end it was me and arso, and I let him douse me and we killed each other the same night.
Is this gamethrowing
If you had the choice to not let him douse you, then yes.
If it was out of your control, then no.
OOC
If the witch told the town who the mafia are is it game throwing?
I was janitor and the witch said. “I’m witch and 7 is janitor get him” this was in ranked btw. I told him that this is gamethrowing and I reported him. He proceeded to make fun of me and told the town to report me which they did because everyone said “thanks for the win and clean game.” He proceeded to tell everyone who the rest of the mafia were and they did not hang him. Was this gamethrowing or am Im a dumbass?
Witch is a bit of a complicated case.
Since you didn't give enough context, I can't really discern whether it's throwing or not, but it's likely throwing.
This was at the beginning of the game. Like n2 because the witch got lucky and found a mafia they told the town who the mafia was. The town decided that we they should keep the witch alive so they would Help them and then when all mafia was dead the witch just said please hang me so the game ends.
Yep, that sounds like throwing to me.
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Is it gamethrowing to claim jailor n1 as sk when you are a solo sk?
Did this to get the jailor killed if he jailed me.
Given that it almost certainly gets you killed (Bodyguard on Jailor, lynched by Town, Doctor on Jailor then lynched/executed), yes.
The only exception is if you're playing Rainbow (but that wouldn't always get you jailed on Rainbow).
Who exactly am I throwing the game for then?
Sk doesn't side with mafia though,
And I clearly didn't want to win
I can see the witch thing though as they would have a greater chance of winning
Is this gamethrowing? I've been banned for it and my appeal was denied.
I was framer. I pretended to name Mafia. I named myself as framer, a townie as consig, a 2nd townie as GF, and finally my GF as Mafioso. My intention was to confuse town by looking like a jester but then when they realise I'm framer, they turn on the 2 townies I named (hopefully vig and jailor kill them), and then they think my will is fake and they trust my GF!
I'm framer and I was trying to frame townies while making my GF look innocent. But apparently this is worthy of a ban???
Although your intentions sound good, it's usually best to ask whichever Mafia you're naming if they're alright with it. I suspect that naming them without asking is what got you banned and your appeal rejected.
is vet d1 calling for tp/lo gamethrowing?
Yes, because it encourages Town to visit the Veteran while discouraging everyone else from visiting them.
So, I rolled Retri I called for tplo and claimed jailor Got jailed Told the jailor that i was retri, claimed jailor for tplo Jailor executed me Did i throw or jailor was dumb? Execution happened N3 btw. I also told the jailor that i would revive the bg the next night, there was no maf majority or anything at the time, no needed to execute anyone an immediate
If it's a Town majority, claiming something else as Town without a strong reason (especially not D1) is gamethrowing.
If you want to stay safe N1, the best strategy is to attract attention during D1 (without begging the real Jailor to execute you, i.e. no "TP/LO on me").
But i explained it to jailor, and it was D1, i was jailed N3 am i reportable or not?
Why should the Jailor believe your explanation?
There was no need for immediate lynches, he couldve waited a day
You might want to pin this.