Temporary rule change: "what happens to stocks if [candidate/party] gets elected" posts are no longer allowed, at least until the end of this election cycle.

This one is probably long coming but these posts add absolutely nothing to the investment discussion. They're simply bait for people to express their political views under the veil of markets. Without fail every time we have one of these threads someone gets banned for political attacks and the whole thing gets shut down.

Obviously policy impacts markets, and we have to be appreciative of people's differing (civil and thoughtful)views on policy so topics concerning specific policy initiatives will still be allowed but they must be clearly and obviously tied to investing. The policy must also be flushed out and have a reasonable chance of becoming law. This means "what happens to markets if we get universal Healthcare" or "what would a wealth tax do" isn't acceptable. You would need to have something more specific such as "what is the risk to insurance stocks under proposed law XYZ". Basically all of this comes down to effort: if the question looks like a low effort fishing expedition for a political argument it'll be taken as such. If OP displays a specific understanding of the topic and displays effort to directly relate to investing then that should absolutely be allowed.

Under these guidelines policy proposals from candidates are going to come under extra scrutiny. In the financial world we are concerned with probabilities and within that context proposals that are unlikely to ever make it beyond campaign speeches are going to be pretty heavily restricted. What I mean by that is if Sanders or Warren mention a wealth tax "what happens if we get a wealth tax" isn't a thread that needs to happen here. I think we're all willing to be flexible on topics here but the further away something is from reality the less it needs to be a topic here.

Here's an example: Last month the Secure Act made it's way in to a budget bill. This is the largest change to retirement plan rules since the pension protection act of 06. There were two threads on this topic with aggregate upvotes of less than 10. Any given low effort question concerning a current candidate makes it to the front page in minutes. I'll be honest, I feel like we as mods have not done a good job when real world policy that impacts everyone is not a hot topic here but hypothesizing how legislation that doesn't exist is. So with that context in mind we're going to be taking the aforementioned steps to remove some of the threads that are thinly veiled attempts to talk general politics.

That said, one further clarification: this does not extend to any sort of research, white papers, etc concerning said policy and markets. Goldman publishes their thoughts on how universal health care would impact different sectors? Absolutely post it up. A study of equity performance under new taxation in other countries? Go for it. You want to ask what happens to stocks if the US has a communist revolution? Kindly do so in r/politics.

the rules on the sidebar will be adjusted to reflect this shortly. Feel free to provide feedback on specifics here, we're pretty set on the general direction but always open to subscriber feedback.

Also one last note: we need to expand the mod team, we're all busy and there's a consistently increasing amount of rule breaking behavior. In the past we've done so organically by selecting regulars with good history of contributing to be mods. That will probably hold true going forward as well - IMO appointing mods that aren't longstanding contributors is how you end up with subs like r/economics. So if you're interested throw your name in the hat, I can't promise anything and if we don't recognize your username it's highly unlikely you'd be selected but I'd like to cast a line and see what hits.

Thanks.

Posted Jan 22, 2020, 2:08 PM UTC

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guitmusic12•

Time to start crafting my “What happens to Stocks if X Party has control over the House and Senate” Threads

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Rubber_Duckie_•

"What happens to stonks if the majority of people check a specific box on a specific piece of paper on a specific date"

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Hollisb1001•

Hard to say since majority of people don't necessarily determine US President. Electoral College does.

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Rubber_Duckie_•

Whoa whoa whoa there buddy, I didn't say what happens if a president is elected, I said a specific box on a specific piece of paper on a specific date.

:-D

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skaterscout•

Could be your kids voting for ice cream flavors by secret ballot

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minigunman123•

And the Electoral College almost always votes the way their constituents in their states voted.

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Momoselfie•

Sure. But when you add it all up it doesn't necessarily match the popular vote. Isn't Jerrymandering a thing too or is that just for representatives?

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ideatremor•

I thought it was hard to say because stonks.

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GGme•

There it is 😁. Politics find a way.

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Uniqueguy264•

A majority of people in Florida

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chocolateboomslang•

Easy, everyone knows stonks only go up.

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M33RHARIS•

Hello guys what happens to stocks if Sans from Undertale takes over America and sets a communist regime😳😳😳

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kelticslob•

U.S. Steel for President! \m/

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w33bwhacker•

Eventually this sub will just be the same five people talking about how index funds are the best thing ever.

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Eventually this sub will just be the same five people talking about how index funds are the best thing ever.

Well, they are. It sucks that investing isn't "sexy" or "exciting" for 99% of this subreddit's population, but it is what it is. The last thing this subreddit needs are MLM whores and scamming crypto bros trying to convince people to "invest" in those options. Because if it were allowed, that's exactly what would happen.

Two things kill already established, large subreddits - direct link images, and "lets have free speech, while letting upvotes and downvotes dictate the community", the latter of which can be easily gamed.

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EvidenceBasedSwamp•

And meme pictures flooding out discussion topics.

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MasterCookSwagOP•

We actually disabled links years and years ago specifically because it encouraged people to post memes and shit. Reddit changing their rules to allow karma for self posts has made things more annoying but I have yet to see many memes pop up.

I have definitely ended up banning 2-3 people that were basically just karma farming by posting super sensationalized links all the time. I mean we do kinda try to foster an environment where discussion stays on track and in depth but I'm always open to suggestions.

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Nikandro•

The stats are good in sum, on a long term term basis, but not necessarily individually, on a short term basis.

There is much more to investing then buying and holding indexes, but this sub gets more and more narrow minded every week.

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Richandler•

Up way more than any index fund. Investing shouldn’t just be an alternative r/personalfinance

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dwmfives•

I'm newer here. Has anyone written a particularly good/well known post that isn't just invest in index funds?

I've got a bit of disposable income and have been playing around, and would love to read something in between the super basic and the super complicated.

Everything seems to be either for the completely uninformed, or after you know everything.

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BraveSquirrel•

I don't have exactly what you need, but I want to add a certain perspective that others might skip. This is the confidence that index investing gives you. For me indexing is the meat and potatoes of my investing. I throw money at other things, but those things are always the side dishes to my index fund entree.

Why do I invest like this? Because over the long term the sp500 index just goes up, so I can live my life, I can forget about my investments, I can see crazy things happen in world events and natural disasters, and the whole time I'm not stressed, because I know, that even if the market tanks for years, eventually I'm going to be fine, and the dip will actually be a good buying opportunity.

Okay, low stress is great, but I don't want low stress, I want big money, you might be thinking. Well, the low stress actually lets you make more money. Before I indexed I always had large percentages of my wealth sitting in cash for large percentages of times because I was often between my last "great trade" and sitting there scanning the market waiting for my next opportunity. All this cash sitting around was a major drag on my returns. Once I really understood indexing I had the confidence to invest practically all of my cash, and my returns have gotten sooo much better.

Now it's important to underline all of this with the fact that this is only a good strategy if your timeline is decades and not years.

https://www.cnbc.com/2015/08/27/the-inspiring-story-of-the-worst-market-timer-ever.html

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Agreed! Honestly the best thing this sub can be is boring if I want entertainment value I'll go over to wallstreetbets but like if you're asking the internet for finance advice then itd be awesome if it was boring safe GOOD advice

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If people come to this subreddit asking where to put their money, they (and others) shouldn't get mad when people give them the best option available. It's boring, but it's still the best possible advice.

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pablodelgrande•

this is r/investing, not r/wsb. Index funds are an incredible investment tool.

It is absolutely the best possible advice for 99.9% of investors to include at least some index funds

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ideatremor•

Yes, people asking investment advice on reddit are exactly the type to be using index funds. The last thing they need is some wannabe Gordon Gekko telling them what to do.

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-bbbbbbbbbb-•

That's the endgame for any free-access investing discussion forum. Tens of thousands of people are compensated extremely well and work extremely hard performing investment analysis and creating funds and trades.

Nobody who is good enough to be paid for it (and thus be worth listening to) is going to be here on reddit giving that info out for free.

So the only discussion you get is from home gamers (the overwhelming majority of which know nothing beyond DCA into low cost indexes), people trying to sell their Youtube/Insta/book/whatever, and the neckbeard-type redditors who don't know their ass from a hole in the ground.

The mods crack down as much as possible on the latter two (thankfully) so you're left with home gamers of various levels discussing index fund strategies with an occasional meaningful discussion of technical analysis.

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AnnoyinTheGoyim•

meaningful discussion of technical analysis

No such thing.

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MasterCookSwagOP•

If anything removing these low effort posts should encourage more in depth discussion. In general I believe those interested in discussing topics in depth migrate away from subs that allow the sort of content described above to dominate discussion.

E: just in case anyone was wondering while I do use indexing quite a bit personally and professionally I almost never care to talk about it here because it's pretty goddamn boring. So hopefully that's helpful.

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Thevidon•

To be honest a discussion of what happens to markets based on election outcomes sounds a lot more interesting than the usual Question -> “Just buy index funds” that this place has turned into....

Just one mans opinion

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MasterCookSwagOP•

In a perfect world where everyone discussed market ramifications then sure. On reddit where everybody takes their voter registration and translates it to bullish or bearish sentiment then not so much.

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Thevidon•

Then wouldn’t banning people be the better option instead of banning topics?

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Violin1990•

You forgot the not QE guy

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mydogsnameisbuddy•

$MGK

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Peter_Buttigieg•

People have been saying that for five years and it hasn't happened yet.

There will always be contrarians.

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WeenisWrinkle•

A vocal minority of this sub isn't happy unless the investing advice is sexy and unique for the sake of being novel.

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[deleted]•

Well the reality is unless you can do the work to understand an industry, predict a companies cash flow 20 years out and discount it back and have the discipline to only purchase at a substantial discount to that you are going to lose money long term.

Some people can get lucky and quant strategies can work as well, but even luck simply does not work over decades.

For anyone who can’t do these things index funds are better. Most of the pros can’t even make money doing this.

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RLWSNOOK•

Are we still allowed to talk about macro economic topics? I talked about how gdp was calculated yesterday and how the trade balance (We’ve seen a decline in imports so the trade balance has moved in our favor) should cause gdp to have a higher reading than if the trade balance had been flat. Needless to say I got an auto mod saying this is political in nature. Just wondering if we are allowed to talk about non political but macro trends or we just have to wait until after the election.

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MasterCookSwagOP•

You are encouraged to do so.

The automod is flagged on a wide variety of posts to remind everyone about the posting standards. Stuff like the federal reserve, jobs reports, etc tend to get politicized too quickly so if anything the sticky is there to serve as a repetitive warning so that we can immediately temp/perma ban those that use macro threads as a platform express their political views.

But just to be clear nobody should take an automod flag as an indication that their topic is not appropriate. It's a warning shot for commenters to remember where they are and post accordingly.

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RLWSNOOK•

Cool thanks

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Ban2Delete2•

stocks stonks only go up... you heard it from the moderator.

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MasterCookSwagOP•

True story.

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Ban2Delete2•

Call it what it is: inflation.

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Ban2Delete2•

respect.

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realist70•

Stonks are subject to Inflantion

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unclefire•

*stonks

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lv4myw•

You want to ask what happens to stocks if the US has a communist revolution?

People with stocks will be sent to the stocks?

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Leroy--Brown•

But what happens if wild promises do/don't come true after a binary event? What if I REALLY need to know?

Maybe these could be redirected to the beginner thread...

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MasterCookSwagOP•

Maybe these could be redirected to the beginner thread...

Thats not a bad suggestion, I do worry about making that thread diluted from it's purpose of helping noobs with their noob questions.

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Leroy--Brown•

After typing that suggestion my second thought is that the beginner thread could denigrate into a partisan shitshow. It probably could be best just to just ban those posts in the first place

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immunologycls•

When the blind will leads the blind.

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ty88•

How about a separate, political outcomes/implications thread? One more thing to moderate, I suppose.

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MasterCookSwagOP•

When events in the political world that may impact markets actually happen people are absolutely free to post a about that. This is for the mindless hypotheticals that have been increasing in popularity.

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jay1687•

What happens if Cthulhu wins because we all decide to stop picking the lesser evil?

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MasterCookSwagOP•

Cthulhu is the lesser evil so I guess everything is fine.

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Nuke_It_From_0rbit•

That sounds like a political statement to me! Mods! To the mod-mobile!

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breezy_summer_road•

Pretty disappointing. The policies being pushed absolutely have enormous impact.

Corporate Taxes go up then stocks are gonna go down. Hc becomes nationalized? Hc stocks going to plummet.

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MasterCookSwagOP•

Then make an in depth post about impacts with sourcing. The only thing being restricted here are the mindless repetitive "what if X political event". The threshold is basically if one would like to talk policy proposals one needs to put in effort to ensure it's clearly investing related. If that bar is too high then one needs to reconsider if their post belongs.

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Ditto. Political policies and the rich in governments have a huge impact on markets. Government and economy are intertwined.

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Jairlyn•

THANK YOU. I stay away from the politic subs to get away from the opinion presented as fact discussions.

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VarunGS•

Good rule. It's going to be really hard to moderate, though—I notice that people on Reddit love throwing politics into the mix whenever they possibly can

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MasterCookSwagOP•

Thread removals will just increase.

Also I may be fooling myself but I've noticed a decrease in the amount of partisan bickering since we've begun banning people over it. Ultimately those that do wish to discuss investing do so and those that insist on doing what they wish have their posting privileges removed.

I kinda hate that it comes to that - this place used to basically regulate itself and all we needed to do was remove spam for the most part. I'm not sure if it's the hyper partisan post election environment or if it's just a shift with the onslaught of new subscribers from r/all but there's a much larger crowd that treats this place more like a general political discussion forum and less like an investment one.

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churnchurnchurning•

It's not just this sub, it's happening all over reddit.

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zachmoe•

It happened before last election too, all the "sell everything" people because DT was going to be in office.

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MasterCookSwagOP•

Yeah, my perspective on this is bad. I just haven't ever really spent much time on the rest of reddit. I occasionally go to cooking and PC related subs and maybe a few others once every other month. Outside of that the only considerable time I've spent on default subreddits was when I used to drunkenly fuck around on like r/askreddit when I was in college, which was a long while back.

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GoldenPrinny•

Well if Sanders gets elected, he will probably push very hard to make some of the things you mentioned happen. And there would probably be stock movements just because of the possibility.

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MasterCookSwagOP•

People just be ignoring poor congress all the time.

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Cyberhwk•

Even if Congress is in his way, I think Sanders getting elected shifts the Overton Window. The rise of Progressives hasn't much moved the needle because I think everyone largely considers them unelectable. If Sanders would be in office it would be impossible to ignore that those type of policies are now within the mainstream.

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WeenisWrinkle•

I can push very hard - as hard as I possibly can - on a 1k ton boulder and it still has just a tiny possibility of moving.

Odds are such a huge part of investing that they can't be ignored. I mean did anyone think Mexico was going to pay for the border wall? That's about as likely-to-come-to-fruition a campaign promise as Sanders' nationalization promises.

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[deleted]•

Ban the word stonk

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UnknownEssence•

You're banned

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[removed]

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OutrageousEmployee•

What if this election is cancelled?

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HTHID•

Galaxy brain take

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captnleapster•

All of MSM stocks will crash because they won’t have anything to talk about.

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Rageoftheage•

What's wrong with r/economics? I only go there occasionally

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MasterCookSwagOP•

It has nothing to do with economics. It's a perfect example of reddit taking a subject and dumbing it down to political views.

It also serves as the template for the polar opposite of what I would like r/investing to be. So basically if someone is questioning a given policy we can point to r/economics as an example of what happens when you allow reddit to dictate the content of a more technical subreddit.

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jaguar717•

No actual economics. Mostly "I just took my first PoliSci class and here's why we need to upend every advanced economy now" type stuff, greeny doom, etc.

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LSUFAN10•

I would say its worse than that.

Most of the articles posted aren't even really about economics. Its people trying to bring up other issues like pollution or corporate tax fights and vaguely tying them to economics.

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LSUFAN10•

Look at the top posts. Most of them are tangentially related to economics.

The posters use economics as an excuse to bring up their personal pet issues.

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Ban2Delete2•

Well, the main problem is that it's full of actual and aspiring (pseudo) economists.

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unclefire•

It can tend to get really political really fast and not in a good way.

Problem with that topic is that you can’t easily separate policy from politics. Economic is at least partially driven by policy be that the Fed, taxes, trade policy etc.

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BraveSquirrel•

I have a degree in economics and I can't stand the place. If you listened to the prevailing wisdom there you'd have gotten absolutely fucking raped as an investor over the last 3 years.

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Are you also taking a stance against comments in threads that name political candidates/parties, or is this just limited to posts? People are going to figure out how to get their stupid commentary in one way or another

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MasterCookSwagOP•

I feel like our sticky on politics does a good job of explaining what is and is not appropriate but I'm open to suggestions.

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blurryk•

Good call, I was going to implement something similar until I realized I do this every day anyway. Lol

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wefarrell•

Do tweets count as specific policy initiatives?

This is going to be tricky, particularly when it comes to international trade. I think it's completely valid to ask the question "How should we invest in an increasingly protectionist global economy?".

Tariffs don't require legislation and can be passed at a whim. A tweet will come out talking about how the US is being abused and then boom, executive order to impose a 25% tariff on steel is passed.

I don't think are any right answers here, it's a really tricky subject.

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MasterCookSwagOP•

We're not talking about removing anything related to current policy implementation, this is more specific to the random "what if" posts that are tied to political campaigns.

If the president tweets out he's adding tariffs that's definitely important.

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balljoint•

Just wanted to say thank you for the hard work you guys do to keep the politics out of this sub. To many major subs have turned to shit from it, hell even r/pics is getting overtly political at times.

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GaniB•

what happens if you know who wins. wink wink

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