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knobs_demos

HI IT'S KNOBS. I want to hear your ideas for this subreddit!

Hello everyone,

It's taken me a moment to settle in here, but I'm starting to get things organized and want to figure out the best way to make this subreddit useful / enriching / (fun?!) for you.

We now have a changelog with a dedicated link on the sidebar:
https://www.reddit.com/r/blooper/wiki/changelog

I would also like to get some polling going for modifier requests and that kind of thing.
Anyone experienced with polling on reddit?

Beyond that, I'd love to hear your ideas for what else we can do around here.

Thanks!!

Posted Jan 24, 2020, 4:33 PM UTC

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meanmedianmogebloop bud•

Hi knobs, thanks for the changelog and this post. Chiming in to help in regards to polling for modifier requests/etc.

There’s something called “contest mode” on Reddit, which hides up/down votes and randomly shuffles the comments so that no one comment gets runaway support/traction. For instance, a mod can make a stickied post in contest mode for feature requests, which users can comment their requests to. Other users then “vote” on their favorite feature by up/downvoting. Usually for this, the mod asks users to read all comments before posting. If someone else already wrote your idea down, simply upvote that one.

It’s a nice, simple voting system that I think would be helpful here. I can think of a few select features that a lot of users here will agree on being important to them.

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theiLLmip•

This was suggested a month ago by u/adventuresofgodrigue, and IMO is a big opportunity:

"Stability should be a modifier and stability knob should become a second layers knob so you can remove earlier layers and keep new ones"

" The stability knob feels like a lo-fi/bit-crusher wet knob, and can be applied the same way as the Filter Mod. I would like the ability to apply stability to a layer of my loop, rather than the entirety of the loop. The option to remove the first layer of a loop would be a huge benefit for me, as my first loop is typically the sloppiest."

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knobs_demosOPmod•

Yeah, I remember reading that.

I'm happy to go into the details of Blooper – how it's coded, why, etc. We'll explore all of that stuff here over time.

Ultimately, this suggestion just isn't possible. Each layer is actually a fresh, one-take recording. It hears all the "layers" that came before it, as well as the latest overdub, and sums them up. This is what makes it possible to record effects in a way that is 100% wet, essentially. Otherwise the effects would just become mixed overtop and it wouldn't sound at all as you intended.

More importantly, implementing something like that is a colossal undertaking from a coding standpoint. Colossal. Like more work than making another pedal from scratch. There are just too many things interconnected.

It's kind of funny isn't it? It's a simple enough suggestion on the surface.

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theiLLmip•

Thanks for responding. I definitely understand how it can be much more complicated under the hood. How about the idea of applying stability only to one layer as opposed to the entire loop?

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habswoschtbloop bud•

I asked it a day ago or so, maybe you can make the stability able to be a realtime effect/mod processing the very dry signal coming from the guitar!? Is that possible?

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knobs_demosOPmod•

It isn't unfortunately. We thought about it in the beginning, but decided to keep things focused on looping.

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knobs_demosOPmod•

It's the same deal, Blooper can't treat layers in isolation.

A helpful way to think of Blooper in a bigger picture sense is to imagine an assembly line, a network of physical machines working together. It's actually how the code works in a sense.

Getting those machines to run and do their job is one thing – not easy, but not that hard – the tricky part is making them adaptable and safe. Making it so they don't cut your hand off as you move them around and combine them. We encountered all kinds of scary noises and pops and weird things during development.

It's almost unreasonable, it was very hard to code, and it's a delicate balance.

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adventuresofgodrigue•

Thanks for explaining that knobs. And thanks for such a killer pedal. Lots of gratitude for you and your work!

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NBF80bloop bud•

Something I’ve suggested before that I think could be cool for future modifiers would be to collaborate with other pedal builders and have modifiers developed based on their designs or unique effects of their design. These would likely be stripped down versions of their designs, but would still be super neat-o. I.e an OBNE Dweller Modifier or Pladask Granular modifier. Not sure how feasible this is, but thought it could be an option for furthering the collaborative approach CBA takes for some projects. Thanks for offering a forum for feedback and suggestions!

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knobs_demosOPmod•

Oh that's cool.

It's kind of sort of unfeasible because those other companies don't use the same platform / code as Blooper, but maybe there's still a way.

This is interesting.

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NBF80bloop bud•

Oh, I figured it would probably just be a matter of putting the two pedals in a box together for a bit, lighting some candles and putting on some slow jamz.

This is possibly why I am not a pedal builder tho. Who knows?

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knobs_demosOPmod•

One way or another, slow jamz will be involved

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NBF80bloop bud•

Maybe just a slow jamz modifier that turns your bloops into anthems of seduction. Or something, just spitballing here.

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habswoschtbloop bud•

Wow, that’s a cool one! Either way I am really happy to be part of this adventure and see and hear how all of this will evolve in coming months!

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MikeMedvedev•

The last update made the thing working fine. The only issue I've found till now was short hi clicks/pops/glitches when MOD5 Scrambler was engaged (mostly noticable with short loops like 1 sec or so and MOD B knob around 12 o'clock).

  1. it would be great to have possibility to switch off noise from wow-flutter in stability knob (or to assign one of these effects separately), 'coz a lot of users seem to dislike the way it works now...

  2. if Volume knob had WET-DRY algorithm we could both control Volume of the effect and set it to "kill dry" on a fly in it's maximum position...

  3. Dropper, Trimmer and Scrambler are more musical with long loops, but unfortunately nearly useless with short (~1 sec) loops, including Delay mode...

But even if you leave it as it is now - it is OK) This pedal is unique and it is an amazing instrument!

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knobs_demosOPmod•

Hi Mike!

We may have some wiggle room with this stuff. My biggest concern would be making things messy / bloated. How these adjustments would be selected, essentially. Maybe if we are able to put together a nice USB editing interface, but that's a pretty big project in itself.

1.) We have flexibility here, I'll do some more asking around as we start approaching a time where we'll be adding additional modifiers. Wouldn't be tough to do, just need a good way to implement it / give people the option.

2.) This is the least likely I would say

3.) In an ideal world we'll be able to scale Dropper and Scrambler based on loop length. That's something we may be able to work on down the line. Trimmer is what it is, if it's too short to trim it's too short to trim.

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MikeMedvedev•

...well I tried to challenge my own statement #3 right now ( Dropper, Trimmer and Scrambler are more musical with long loops, but unfortunately nearly useless with short (~1 sec) loops, including Delay mode... ) and I've found some crazy combinations that worked sweet with short loops either... and I'm not surprised - this pedal is real Pandora Box, in a good sense)

USB interface for the pedal's customisation would be incredible!

Thanks you guys for the Blooper! I've never been so fascinated with any other pedal...

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knobs_demosOPmod•

Ah thanks Mike.
Really means a lot.

On our end we're JUST getting to a point where we can settle down and actually USE the thing. I haven't spent much time with it yet as a musician.

Curious to see what you're up to with it.

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tlainhartbloop bud•

I’ll put a vote in for Mike’s “1”. I mentioned this in the thread requesting tutorial content, where I’m interested to know how you use stability with noise. There’s probably some creative options I’ve not thought of.

Thanks for starting and participating in these threads.

— Todd

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Haunteduke•

I asked once and Joel responded, that you thought about it. I'll bring it here up again. Perhaps you reconsider it for future updates. Saving knobs positions with loops.

I love to use blooper in delay mode. Saving an empty loop and having my modifiers, stability, mix, decay saved would allow for fast accessible delay presets.

Also to work on a loop later on where I left it.

I'm used to chase bliss pedals and take photos of my presets. I don't find it confusing that way.

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wondervalleypaddybloop bud•

Hey Knobs!

How about a 'Chromatic' modifier? Basically very similar to the 'Smooth Speed' modifier but lands on chromatic pitches. When using midi with the Smooth Speed modifier, the MOD A control won't land on some octaves, unison's, and other pitches exactly.

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This has been discussed on here already, it would be great to be able to save the DIP switch settings with the presets. The knobs can be controlled and saved with a MIDI controller, totally makes sense with the blooper. But it would be great to, for instance, save 'dry kill' on some presets and not on others..

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Sys1harbor•

New to reddit —don’t see sidebar

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meanmedianmogebloop bud•

Are you on mobile? If so, the “sidebar” is accessible via the main r/blooper page. Hit the three dots on the top right corner and it should bring up things like “subreddit rules”. The sidebar is there.

On desktop, the sidebar is the right-hand panel which displays information about the subreddit, including the mods and useful links (like the changelog u/knobs_demos added!)

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knobs_demosOPmod•

There is a very good chance that's not the right word for it.

Everything along the right-hand side of the subreddit.
There's an area called "useful things" with a button for the Changelog.

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Sys1harbor•

Access through "about"

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Pelang111bloop bud•

coming from the modular world, I more meditate on what is bloopers core. For example, I do have lots of filters with resonance, modulation inputs etc... I ratter process this external. I am wondering about:

-how all 8 layers could be connected..macro-loops

-or have ModA for start-trim and ModB for length...for micro-loops inside a loop... Sure, this is my personal use and there should be alway a balance.

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palcomm•

my suggestion: if all the midi stuff was hidden and i could just control blooper from a pretty editor from inside a daw that would be so so good. im sure this one is possible!

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rinnovarebloop bud•

Oooo... like a plug in to control blooper ?

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palcomm•

yeah- like this: https://www.reddit.com/r/blooper/comments/ed5rgg/bloopin_with_vcv/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

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niandra3bloop bud•

Have you tried syncing the Blooper with an OP-Z?

https://old.reddit.com/r/blooper/comments/evh6lj/anyone_been_able_to_sync_the_blooper_with_a/?

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Haunteduke•

Another idea: Being able to delete the loop In the redo/undo submenu. I think, it would be more convenient than to hit both footswitches at the same time to do that.

Right now you can only delete all sound. But the initial loop length, right?

Another possibility would be whenever you click both switches. But it wouldn't have to be at exact the same moment. 🙂

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Eturnianbloop bud•

Hi u/knobs_demos, & u/chaseblissaudio, I want to start by saying that blooper is such an amazing pedal! It took me a little time to adjust to this way of thinking about looping, but after some exploration I’m really surprised and creatively inspired by this pedal✨So thank you.

I have a couple suggestions for mods, but not sure if this is the place to write them. Are you thinking to create a “contest mode” thread in this sub as was suggested above, for blind up voting of mod suggestions? Or should we just leave our ideas here?

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distor_sean•

Hi! Would it be possible to add mods similar to other Chase Bliss pedals. Maybe a popular Thermae setting mod, or a Tonal Recall delay mod. This would be awesome and might possibly use the same coding. I know nothing about coding/programming, so could be totally wrong. Absolutely love Blooper and look forward to getting the update installed. Thanks!!

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olblackrope•

Is threshold based parameter control possible?

Also the ability to reorder which modifiers are on which switch/place?

Fade in/out on trimmer?

Pure tremelo mode on dropper?

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