Been a fan my entire life but this is bullshit.
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Imagine being having such a reactionary response to a story where all the facts aren't known yet and feeling the need to virtue signal about it on a music subreddit. Get a Grip dude, I'm sure other musicians you listen to have done FAR worse things than what's currently happening with Aerosmith and we don't even know all the details right now. But go ahead and jump on the blind hate bandwagon without knowing why, that's the reddit thing to do.
Also great way to honoy Joey Kramer by deleting his life's work, real support right there.
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I’ll add them back when they get their heads out of their asses. Joey getting treated the way he has was extremely dishonorable. How you can sit here and give me shit for deleting their albums and not the rest of the band for essentially kicking him to the curb is laughable. Having the dude audition to be back in the band is so incredibly audacious. Fuck em.
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I don't think you've been reading the full story. Joey failed to show up to rehearsals for months despite having plenty of time to do so, a fact the judge brought up in his recent failed lawsuit against the band. By his own admission, Joey was not well physically and emotionally (read his book, the guy is one hell of a fighter and has had multiple emotional problems over his lifetime). So then he comes back at the 11th hour and I think it's fair for the band to say they want to double check his playing ability with so many important days coming up. All 4 other members said he wasn't playing right while Joey says otherwise. Joey sued, lost, and now says he'll be at the Grammys but not playing, which is what the rest of the band wanted since they want him there but think he can't do the show. They NEVER kicked him out of the band.
Look, I want Joey back in the band more than anyone, I'm a drummer myself and I've even met the guy. I'm probably the first person in 30 years to ask him about his failed side project band Renegade that him and Tom were working on back in the 80s because I want to hear the demos they did. But here's the thing, if 4 guys I was playing with for 50 years said "you're not playing right", I'd have to believe them. It absolutely sucks, but we haven't heard the audio track, what if he actually isn't able to play? Do you really want Joey embarrassing himself at the Grammys?
Everyone is bringing up Bill Ward and Black Sabbath, but Ward outright said Sabbath was right and that his health would not have allowed him to play the shows they were doing in 2013 despite his comments he made in 2013. Of course that truth came out 2 years later so I hope you see why I'm waiting on this story. Ward's another of my personal drummer legends, but he should've just said he couldn't play at the time. Neil Peart did the right thing and retired due to health problems, the sad fact is you can't play forever. So no I will not being burning my Aerosmith records just yet, at first I thought everyone else was being a complete dick to Joey, then I read more of the facts and I see now that it's entirely possible, even likely, that Joey is having some real issues playing, as much as that breaks my heart. He was incredible when I saw Aersmith last June.
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Upvote 1000x
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I mean, they're not talking about doing a 70 shows in 3 months world tour. The thing is about who's playing at the Grammy's. That's what this is about. I doubt that three song (if that) set would pose a risk to his health.
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At any point did I say this was about anything other than the Grammys? If Joey couldn't do the audition, he's not going to be able to do the Grammys. It sucks, but that's how things seem to be right now. If you can't play with a track, you definitely can't do the Grammys, even if it is three songs. Also we have no idea what his health is like, do you really think a physically and/or emotionally vulnerable person should be pounding on drums in front of the live Grammy audience plus all those watching at home? If I knew my friend wasn't in shape to play I certainly wouldn't throw him out there, even if he insisted he was alright. These guys all know each other, they know when one of them isn't ok.
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I think the lawsuits are just getting started. Likely contractual issues that prohibit him from being sidelined without penalty. Also, if he's found to be disabled or impaired, all sorts of employment law preventing his firing. Who knows.
Award show retread songs that he's been playing for 50yrs are unlikely to have taxed his playing capacity. Feels like the principals are pissy and getting lawyerly about something else, which is unremarkable as I think they've all tired of each other long ago. 4 guys + drum tech isn't going to sell any tickets.
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Joey's lawsuit (which I think is the only one that's been filed) was shot down quickly. Also we need to dispel this idea that he was fired, he was not fired and is still in the band according to Joey himself. He was at the Musicares event and gave a short speech. He also was at the Grammy's, he was only prohibited from playing there. As of right now, everything else is pure speculation. For whatever reason, all 4 other members of the band thought he wasn't capable of playing the Grammys and had his drum tech fill in, as he has for months now. Any rumors about band dynamics or ticket sales are just that, rumors until otherwise confirmed by the band.
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You're gonna regret that. Especially Draw The Line.
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In 1990 when they got sober they drew up a contract about using drugs. Joey got hurt and perhaps got himself in trouble with his medication. In any event he left rehab against the recommendation of his addiction counselors. I’ve been a fan since 1977 and I’m proud of the boys for protecting their sobriety. And they will work this out and let him back in when he is ready. And they invited him to be there just not play with the band
Have you read this?
"Drummer Joey Kramer, a founding member of Aerosmith who's been with the band for five decades, won't be joining his group mates onstage at the MusiCares gala where the band is being honoured as the 2020 "Person of the Year".
A Massachusetts court made the ruling on Wednesday after Kramer sued the band - comprised of Steven Tyler, Joe Perry, Tom Hamilton and Brad Whitford - for not allowing him to play following a temporary disability.
Kramer argued that he had healed enough to play the band's Vegas residency by the US autumn, but according to documents filed, the band members decreed that his playing level wasn't in top form and insisted on at least two weeks of rehearsals.
Last July the band opined that Kramer was not able to properly operate the pedal on his bass drum and he hasn't performed with them since. Furthermore, the filing discloses, Kramer entered a rehabilitation clinic for dependency issues but left early "against the recommendation of his addiction counselor".
The court ruled to deny his petition based on a 1990 employment agreement drawn up with the members of Aerosmith which does not specifically address temporary illnesses so as to negate his breach of contract claim.
Further, since Kramer as a member of the band shares in its earnings - and MusiCares is a benefit concert to raise funds for musicians in need of health assistance - to not perform at the event does not impact his finances negatively nor does it create new rights, the Commonwealth decided."
IMHO you’re not a true fan if you abandon them at their time of need.
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I’m upvoting you for your time and effort, but I don’t think Joey would have sued them had he not been well enough to play. Who knows, maybe it’s just a bunch of fabricated drama to turn heads. But given his tenure and history, I’d like to think they’d treat him better. He obviously thinks he’s getting fucked too if he’s willing to sue them... Whatever is going on, I’d love to see or hear those rehearsal tapes.
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Come on, it's stupid to deny yourself good music because the people behind that good music did something stupid many decades later. The only person in the world feeling the hit from you deleting those albums is you. Assuming you're on Joey's side and you're mad at the rest of the band for excluding him, that's Joey's life's work that you're deleting. Great way to honor him!
And tell me exactly how Joey is being honored by the band leaving him out of the Grammy show?? The rest of the band should be ashamed of themselves for pulling such a bullshit stunt. A major slap in the face of you ask me. There are plenty of other great bands that I enjoy listening to but I hope they come their senses and issue an apology and let him back. This is no way to treat a “brother” of the band. Period.
I did not say the band was doing right by him.
You're mad that they excluded him from this performance, so your reaction is to delete everything he's accomplished in his professional life. Sounds like exactly what he'd want his fans to do, delete his music! Why settle for just his bandmates ignoring him when a lifetime of fans can also ignore his music?