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softhandsam

Having an opinion about (insert gender race or orientation here) is not hate

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We need to stop this nonsense.

Being pro life doesn't mean you "hate women."

Thinking you can't be another gender doesn't mean you "hate trans."

Bringing up crime stats by race doesn't mean you hate any race.

Who are we to assume these things?

Unless someone says "I hate x" there is no grounds to make an assumption on their feelings.

Mention you're pro life and you'll be berated and told you hate women and want to control them.

Mention welfare incentivizes single motherhood and divorce, guess what, you'll be told you hate women and poor people.

Why not engage the actual argument?

I was banned from unpopular opinion for suggesting we'd have less single mothers if there weren't welfare, based on the concept that if people know there is a safety net (free money) they will behave impulsively and recklessly.

This met by being banned by a coward who said I was an incel women hate profile.

I calmly attempted to reason with them, pointing out that i thought welfare incentivizes reckless behavior in both sexes.

Apparently having a consistent opinion about both sexes and how welfare relates to their behavior is incel and woman hating.

It's not man hating to say the same thing about men apparently.

Thus the point, the mod ASSUMED that because I had a negative opinion about welfare and women, I must hate women.

Even though I tried pointing out that single motherhood is causing poverty in women and children and I'm proposing something I think would HELP women, since this tiny mod disagreed it would be helpful,I must be hateful.

He didn't provide any alternative solutions to the problem, but me proposing one is incel hate. The person I was debating suggested all men should be taxed at 50% of their income to stop single motherhood.

Apparently that's fine, that's not hatred towards men, suggesting literal slavery is fine. Suggesting that people would make better choices if they didn't have papa government to fall back on is more hateful than slavery according to this coward mod.

Stop assuming others motivations.

Posted Feb 2, 2020, 6:17 PM UTC

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ronnevee•

I don't know if this is truly unpopular, or if the loud (and frankly bullying) minority just silences anyone that wants to bring up a discussion about something controversial.

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nnfl•

When the loud, bullying majority runs Reddit, then it’s unpopular per sub, so to say. The majority might not act this way in real life, but when saying some of this stuff can lose you your job, or at the very least, get you banned from most subs, then I’d say it belongs here.

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ronnevee•

I definitely agree it belongs here, as an unpopular reddit opinion.

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softhandsamOP•

I'm not sure what proportion of the population agrees or disagrees but at least within the reddit world people don't seem to like logic.

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standingpretty•

I wish I could upvote this more.

I’m a pro life women and while I don’t hate women who have had abortions (I’m just really opposed to it morally and think it’s wrong) I still get told I hate women.

The majority of Reddit’s user base celebrates abortions and will ironically hate you for being opposed to ending a new life. There is no agreeing to disagree

I don’t know how people could see something like this and not be bothered by it

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Aoloach•

Because there’s plenty of gore-y or graphic medical procedures. This isn’t inherently worse to look at than a surgeon cutting someone open, and I’d say it’s definitely easier to watch than, say, a removal of botfly larva. If I refused medical procedures based on how gross or weird they are, or based on how little I understood of them, I would be dead. I trust that professionals who have been educated on the matter for years upon years know more about it than I do.

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standingpretty•

It’s more than it being simply gross, it’s about consciously knowing that you could be causing a human pain. Brain activity has been successfully measured as early as 6-8 weeks, and in 2016, 27.9% of abortions were less or equal to 8 weeks. Meaning when most women had the abortion, there was already brain activity in the fetus.

The problem with your statement implies that all doctors have an agreement on what is and isn’t moral.

There have been plenty of doctors that spoke out against abortion, does that suddenly not make them doctors?

You cannot definitely prove that all doctors care about life more than a paycheck.

Lackadaisically letting others form opinions for you is a dangerous game.

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Aoloach•

You asked how people could see that and be okay with it. You don’t have to think it’s morally right or wrong to be okay with seeing it. How something looks shouldn’t be a factor in how ethical it is, imo. Lethal injection looks pretty peaceful (the paralytic that’s part of the drug cocktail is included specifically to make it look that way) but it’s probably more painful for the death row criminals than abortion is for fetuses. Also I’ve not seen any data on whether humans can feel pain before they’re born.

I don’t lackadaisically let others form my opinions, what I do is trust experts to know more about their fields than I do. Whether a doctor thinks abortion is moral or not does not equal whether I think it is, and I never argued that.

Also you’re equating brain activity with pain sensation, which is disingenuous.

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standingpretty•

You asked how people could see that and be okay with it. You don’t have to think it’s morally right or wrong to be okay with seeing it.

Fair enough, I can watch gore just fine even if I don’t morally agree with it.

What I meant was in opposition to the, “it’s a clump of cells” when clearly you can seem that it’s not with surgical abortions.

How something looks shouldn’t be a factor in how ethical it is, imo. Lethal injection looks pretty peaceful (the paralytic that’s part of the drug cocktail is included specifically to make it look that way) but it’s probably more painful for the death row criminals than abortion is for fetuses.

If I murdered someone, several people, in a horrendous way then I don’t deserve comfort in my final hours.

I have no concern for people that caused nothing but pain for other people getting the same treatment.

Also I’ve not seen any data on whether humans can feel pain before they’re born.

There have been people born who survived after the abortion cut off. Hell, there have been infants that survived barely past the half way point of pregnancy who survived, so there is obviously some major development that had to have occurred for that to be possible.

You think a human literally develops fully right before being born? That doesn’t make sense.

I don’t lackadaisically let others form my opinions, what I do is trust experts to know more about their fields than I do. Whether a doctor thinks abortion is moral or not does not equal whether I think it is, and I never argued that.

Then what is your point? Because you haven’t presented any conclusive evidence or consensus from doctors on a moral or medical standpoint. What are you trying to actually get at here?

I trust experts too, but I’m not going to agree with a doctor who is morally corrupt just because they think it’s ok/morally different.

There are plenty of doctors who don’t support the harms of abortions on different levels.

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lavenk7•

Opinions aren’t facts.

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softhandsamOP•

I'm not sure how that's relevant here

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evadedKadence•

I can see a connection to the gender statement, as gender identity is a scientific phenomenon that, like homosexuality, may not have a proven physiological cause (yet) but has multiple theories and has examples throughout history. So, that 'opinion' in that case is just denying fact.

But the others I can't see it tbh...

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Bocksford•

Moderating must be a difficult job.

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cynoclast•

They volunteer for it because they’re power hungry petty tyrants. It’s why I have zero sympathy when they bitch about having work to do when they can quit.

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