Why do liberals come here?
It seems closet liberals love to lurk here just to downvote and insult conservatives. Don't they have anything better do?
Posted Feb 10, 2020, 6:42 AM UTC
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Same here. Not a boomer, just same for not wanting to sit in an echo chamber, lol
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For the same reason that I go to the Democrat and the socialist subs. I want to know what the other side is saying and to get out on my bubble. I see things on this side that are a bit echo chamberish the same with the left subs. Gotta stay informed
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I’d assume some come here to learn and get both sides
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I don't align with either Democrats or Republicans. Frankly, I think a two party system is inherently fucked, and the two parties we do have are more concerned with the game of politics than governing in behalf of the will of the people.
No doubt, I have down voted things on this sub. I have also down voted things on liberal subs.
Most media outlets have let down consumers. Biased, partisan, or force-fed narratives do less to inform the populace of the facts, and more to tell us what they think the facts mean. I resent that. Give me the facts-- I can come up with an opinion of my own.
Like many have commented already, I come here to seek understanding. Perspective. I used to find more that I agreed with in this sub, tbph, but that doesn't mean coming here had lost its value; quite the contrary. It's in opinions that differ from mine, force me to take a hard look okay my beliefs, and challenge my status quo that I often find the most enlightening realizations.
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ITT: proving his point
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The same reason I go to liberal subs and the Libertarian one:
The rare occasion where meaningless insults are set aside and I'm able to learn different views of substance.
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For the same reason I lurk in Liberal feeds, to gain a better understanding of both sides. There are multiple paths to a solution, but which one is the best or better choice? I challenge myself to argue both sides of any issue.
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There are very few subs that aren't overrun by liberals. Plus is conservatives debunk propaganda in a liberal sub we get instantly permanently banned. When the whistleblower complaint was covered by the media I posted a link to the call transcript on r/Democrat. I was immediately banned because it debunked their BS.
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Precisely. I've been insulted, banned, and even doxxed by angry liberals on reddit. They don't want to debate. They don't even want us alive.
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Liberals are by in large sad, angry, bitter little people who have nothing better to do than to troll sensible Americans.
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Those are exactly the kind of liberals I was referring to. Those claiming to come here to learn and for better understanding is great, but it's the trolls which lurk here that fit your description to a tee.
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I got downvoted just for making an opinion :)
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The problem is that liberalism in America has become synonymous to zealotry. When liberals do come here it's not to gain a better or even a different perspective. They aren't interested in trying to understand anyone. They are only here to proselytize and shout hellfire and brimstone to all of us conservative non-believers. And that's why they react the way they do.
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It seems that some are just trying to bait us into arguments and downvote us. I'll usually reply to direct comments, but if they're rambling and hostile, I pull the plug. They often accuse me of forfeiting my argument, but the truth is I just have a job to go to and can't spend all day debating children.
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Most liberals come here for the sole purpose of trolling. It's stupid, but most liberals aren't exactly known to be beacons of self control and respect.
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I appreciate the mods here
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You mean just like how conservatives spend too much time in bernie, and other liberal snubs? Do you think this is a unique behavior?
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Because this sub will show up in their feed.
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Don't they have anything better do?
Gotta have something to do while your waiting in the bread line.
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I want to know what your side is thinking before it's bounced around in my lefty echo chamber. If I'm going to be opposed to and by somebody I should know what they think and what their reasons are for being against the world that I want to see and not just take my side's word for it that you're my enemy. To be perfectly honest though, despite being subscribed to some people mine t conservatives on Twitter, reading this subreddit regularly, following the Facebook pages of the conservative parties of my own country and generally making a point of reading things with a right wing bias - it hasn't done anything to make me feel sympathetic to your ideology and a lot of the stuff posted here sounds an awful lot like the parodies of conservatism my lefty friends post to make fun of you guys. Your unwavering support of the Cheeto and the incessant implications that leftists don't have or want jobs makes you look pretty stupid. And that whole, "climate change is a hoax so fuck environmentalists" thing is fucking ridiculous. Ok, sure, let's pretend that NASA and the vast majority of the scientific community is all in on a giant hoax. Insect populations are still collapsing, agricultural runoff is still killing our lakes and rivers and biodiversity is on a steady decline; but climate change might be a hoax so fuck environmentalism and let's cheer on the guy who is gutting the EPA.
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See, there you go again. Calling the President Cheeto won't win you any conservative friends. When did it become okay to make fun of a person's skin color? Thank you for perfectly illustrating my point. You just want to come here to insult conservatives. And conservatives do take the environment seriously, we just don't fall for the spin and lies of every two bit hustler like Al Gore that preaches doom if we don't immediately adopt their legislation. Look at environmental predictions of the last 20 years and you'll see none of them have come true. But this time it's true, right. AOC and Bernie says we have to enact the green new deal or we'll all be dead in ten years. Guess what? It's just another liberal money grab. Thanks to PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP, we got out of the lousy Paris accords, which was just another scheme to siphon away funds for the deep pockets of lefty politicians. The earth does change temperature throughout time, but don't believe all the doom and gloom. Even Obama just bought a mansion on Martha's vineyard, so I doubt it'll be underwater anytime soon.
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I’m a liberal. I like to come here to get both sides. Often our media makes it seem like we are so very different from each other and when I come here I can get real peoples ideas and concepts. I don’t comment because it is requested that I do not do so… In this case I am doing it because it was a direct question about why liberals might come here. I really want to understand everyone.
Rational people such as yourself exist on both sides in higher quantities than the media or r/politics suggest. I appreciate you trying to get a full scope of beliefs/ideas about different topics being discussed in the political realm.
My question for you is are there any rational liberal subreddits I can follow where civil discussion actually happens with left viewpoints? I’d like to also see both sides of the fence about hot topics without being subjected to bullshit narratives and downright hatefulness towards those who have different opinions.
r/politics has turned into a seemingly radical left echo chamber where everyone circle jerks each other saying orange man bad.
The honest answer is probably no. I know here I can only view and not post (until now of course). There are items on conservative that I really agree with... BS that went down with Obama and Clinton etc. but there are also sections that I disagree with. I mostly want to see real people and their views. I also cannot comment on conservative sites and get rational discussions. I think that’s why I just kinda stand back and observe to understand. I wish there was a better outcome for us both.
I’m in the same boat. I’m conservative but have some left leanings on certain subjects (mainly social policies). I like to see the spectrums of opinions about subjects except for the overly radical left/right nonsense. The Neo-Marxism and Alt-Right viewpoints are just overkill and get way too much front page billing on the internet.
I’ve tried to sift through some liberal subs to see if some decent conversation is happening among spectrums of leftist ideologies, but it almost always turns into talking about how uneducated conservatives are or Orange Man Bad.
I’m genuinely curious what you disagree with, I like hearing what others think about political stuff as long as they aren’t screaming orange man bad.
I feel we need to move much faster off fossil fuels and move to clean energy. We need to keep polluting down with strict water and air regulations too.
We need to stop single use plastics and invest in ways to clean the planet.
I agree people should be allowed to own a gun or more than one. But I’m not for open carry and I believe much more than handguns and rifles for hunting are not something we should own.
I feel the haves and have nots are pretty out of whack. I’d like to see the wealthy pay fair taxes. It’s pretty upsetting how so few have such power because they have much more money.
We are a very well off country and I feel our government should get involved and solve our health services problem. I hate how our elderly, vets and children suffer so much with this.
That’s a bit of what I believe. I’m happy to hear your ideas too.
r/moderatepolitics is okay for the left/right discussion. With the impeachment, things got heated for a bit, but it's mostly just spill over from r/politics. The regulars generally seem interested in both sides of view. The rule of the sub is to attack figures and ideas, not people so it cuts down on the insults, and you still have to wade through bland, uninformed, reactionary statements (I'm libel to make a few of those myself - nobody's perfect), but I've also had very good discussions and have ferretted out my points so that I'm understood.
What I've found is our definition for words on the right and left are so different, that at times we're speaking different languages to each other and we don't even know it.
Yeah I personally don't think any rational conversations are happening in the comments. Those days are long gone. The only thing I've found to do is read the articles and comments and extract the facts, leaving opinions and colorful adjectives as waste. Sometimes I'll pose questions. Hardly ever reply.
Welcome to r/Pete_Buttigieg, pretty reasonable bunch of folks. We use our aluminum foil for food, not for headware like much of the Bernie Bros.
Thank you. You're the type that keeps me from dismissing all dems as wild eyed leftists.
People who are genuinely liberal are decent and open-minded. But a lot of people who are ass-holes cloak themselves in liberalism so they can be objectionable while telling themselves they're good.
Seems like you're the first one.
Respect to you. I wish more people were like you
Thank you! That's exactly why I come here and visit other similar subs.
Who told you not to comment?
Rule 4, 5, and 11 pretty much keep any debate, questioning, etc. from happening.
It's been specifically requested many times over the years for non-republicans to remain silent here. Before that I used to spend time here and actually felt like there were decent discussions (for the record, I do not consider myself a democrat but definitely end up on the opposite side of religious/moral conservatism), but that was pre-Trump.
I honestly don't think many here mind an intelligent polite question, it's just that so often we're bombarded with vitriol from liberal lurkers here.
You are probably right, but this is the statement on the sidebar:
That pretty much says keep your mouth shut, and so the respectful non-Republicans do. If you don't want to hear from polite people on the other side of the aisle, all you'll get is the rude ones. So, liberal troll types is what you'll keep getting on this sub instead of people who want to ask questions and learn.
Same.
I truly believe that for the vast majority of people politics is essentially just a sporting event. Though we debate them like they are life and death, political issues largely don't affect us as we are just going through our daily lives and pretty much just become opportunities to cheer for your team to score a point.