Sorry Neoliberals, There will be no Biden comeback even if he wins South Carolina.
He has had the nomination wrapped-up from the beginning, so there's nothing to comeback from
Posted Feb 27, 2020, 4:38 AM UTC
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You mother fucker you had me!
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Moderates have Bloombergโs billions, the democratic establishment, and the news media on our side
Sanders has unemployed misogynistic twenty-somethings shit posting on the internet.
Good luck with that.
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I mean... it was kinda like that in 2016 between Trump and Hillary and Trump still somehow won. Let's not be quick to dismiss our opposition.
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Mr. Comey and his letter to Congress would like a word.
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I think the point was that idiot voters are likely to win in this scenario.
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There are Trump idiots and Bernie idiots. I'll take the Bernie idiots any day.
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The reason why Trump and Bernie are seemingly made of teflon is because they draw their support from the left and right flank and bring new people into the fold rather than fighting for votes in the middle. That's why hand-wringing over Bernie having love for Castro or wanting radical policies is largely useless. The moderates are just preaching to the choir. Meanwhile, there are in fact millions of people in this country on the far left who actually think Castro was good and that rich people should be put up against the wall. Normally they don't even bother voting, but someone like Bernie gets them excited. This helps Bernie compensate for any moderates he turns off, for every moderate vote he loses a radical partisan stinky hippy comes out of the woodwork to replace them. And in fact by attacking Bernie the moderates and the media only increase his strength, every time they call him a communist they get the actual communists more and more excited to vote for him because they think he's the real deal.
Trump did the same thing except with racist imbeciles rather than commies. Because the Republicans and Democrats have never really made a major effort to bring the fringes into the fold they really don't know how much untapped potential there is going that route. Hillary thought she could attack Trump on things which turn off the center but it only further galvanized the "deplorable" base she completely ignored.
And guess what? At the end of the day most of the moderate Republicans ended up pulling a Hugh Hewitt anyways and went with Trump. And judging by the behavior of the so-called moderate Republicans these past 4 years I have little faith in their redemption.
I'm not a fan of Bernie's policies and rhetoric, however I do wonder how many elections Democrats have to lose trying to appeal to moderates before we realize that this coveted moderate vote is just fool's gold. Bernie may very well have the winning strategy here. Rather than fighting Republicans for votes in the center he fights for votes the Republicans would never have a chance of getting, people who actually are only motivated by a red scare attack strategy. The moderates will probably just fall in line as it gets closer to November and they realize that Trump is ultimately worse.
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This helps Bernie compensate for any moderates he turns off, for every moderate vote he loses a radical partisan stinky hippy comes out of the woodwork to replace them.
every voter you flip from Republican to Democrat is literally worth two "stinky hippies" coming out of the woodwork.
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Yeah sure, if you can actually convert them, otherwise it's just a fool's errand. Hillary certainly ran a lot of fool's errands 4 years ago. I have substantial doubts of the ability of any member of the cult of Trump to be redeemed. How many times do Democrats have to fail with the "sell out the left and sell to the middle" approach before we realize that it's just not a great strategy? I've only seen 2 democratic presidents in my lifetime, the 1st one got in because Ross Perot split the conservative vote, the other got in because he was able to bring new people out to vote for him.
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the democratic establishment on our side
God help us we're doomed.
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Wow dont you have faith in your nakama?
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The dnc comes off more like the World Government than the Straw Hats ngl.
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Damn that's some ugly and unnecessary ad hominem. You're in the wrong sub, we are not r/The_Donald .
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There are the same ingroup-outgroup dynamics at play, and I wouldnt say people here behave much better.
The only difference btw that sub and this one is that the moderation is better here and people who dissent aren't banned.
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The only difference btw that sub and this one is that the moderation is better here and people who dissent aren't banned.
I'll be the first to say I appreciate that from this place.
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The moderation is the only redeeming factor of this subreddit. On that we agree. Its the only reason I bother to post here. Otherwise _neolib is just as much a vacuous circlejerk as any other politics focused community on this website.
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Whoโs winning so far? How did that side fare in 2016?
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One thing the moderates don't seem to have is an ability to win a national election.
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Okay. You guys definitely have those things going for you, and that advantage has slightly worried us from the beginning. But, I'm not really so sure that all of those things are as good as you think.
I question whether the democratic establishment and news media are all that popular with the voters. I guess it likely depends on which voters. But, I think it's fair to say that American politics is currently having an anti-establishment moment.
Also, I think you're jumping the shark to assume that all Sanders supporters match that description. I certainly don't. I'm employed, female, and a WOC. So, just saying.
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Second this. 33yo, married 10yr, bottom end of 1%ers, lots of similar connection that are anti establishment. Even if it means we might be taxed heavily.
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Sanders has unemployed misogynistic twenty-somethings shit posting on the internet.
Its this level of disdain for the youth that has us reluctant (at best) to maintain the status quo. Liberalism has failed minorities and working class people. Younger generations are tired of the economic and social injustice, and for once we're understanding that the democratic establishment could be so much better than it currently is.
My favorite take is knee jerk reactions to an imploding economy when considering Medicare for All. The U.S. pays more per person than any country for healthcare. It's fundamentally absurd.
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Serious question. Are Neoliberals and Republicans in agreement regarding economic policies? Is there an overlap? Because I feel like this is exactly what a Republican would say. I'll admit that I don't completely understand this. I think of you guys as centrists, but not exactly on the right. So, I'm wondering where the differences lie economically.
If it's too broad a question, I can look it up in my own time.
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Depends on who you ask here. There are only a handful of thing where everybody here will give you the exact same answer. The reply that you got is too harsh for sure. Part of it may be that users here are tired of blanket, low-effort attacks on liberals. If you look at our side bar, you'll find information about how the post-WW2 liberal order, including liberal trade agreements, has been instrumental in increased quality of life and dramatic reductions in global poverty. To say that it has "failed" is also too harsh.
Anyway, my take is that, in general, social mobility requires both effort and opportunity. Excess of one can help counter balance the other, but only within a certain range. A lot of people get the short end of the stick because the lack of opportunity, and we're nearly in universal agreement that it's an area that needs dramatic change. Nobody merely advocates for the status quo.
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Our healthcare system is failing us. Our infrastructure is rotting.
Just because some of us feel comfortable doesn't mean we should grow complacent. I'm happy everything hasn't imploded yet, I don't want it to. To tell me things cannot get worse, hell, won't get worse is naive at best.
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When wages see real growth and there aren't tax cuts that make the wealthy pay the lowest tax rate in the US. When money isn't literally being used to buy an election, ...
when are you going to stop blaming the system?
When the system isnt openly 2 tiered and is designed to advantage more than a small cohort of people able to actually pull the levers.
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Liberalism has failed minorities and working class people.
No it fucking hasnt
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Liberalism is a stretch. The post-Reagan, neoliberal Washington Consensus? Most certainly. Look at regional unemployment, especially in high concentrated areas, 30y lack of real wage growth rate, prices raising across the board from corporate mergers, healthcare, drug costs, education costs, lobbying expansion...
Frankly it goes on and on. I wouldn't say that neoliberalism has had sufficiently redistributive effects for the gains it has presented to society to be a net positive.
And please spare me the global poor false dichotomy. We could have had all the extreme poverty eradication gains we made in the last 30 years and also a more egalitarian distribution of wealth across social strata. The global poor rhetorical shift is a sleight of hand.
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Neoliberalism is distinct from liberalism insofar as it does not advocate laissez-faire economic policy but instead is highly constructivist and advocates a strong state to bring about market-like reforms in every aspect of society.
How in the fuck can anyone of you tell me unregulated economy and gross hoarding of wealth is NOT failing the average working American or minority.
EDIT: To add, I'm actually here for the ideology I stated above. This place has culminated in a disdain for the poor. A lack of any compassion for those among us that have it worst off is all I see here.
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This place (while great that the centerleft exists on Reddit) has really degraded during the last year due to campaigning.
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Look, saying something has "failed" minorities and working class people implies that minorities and working class people are somehow worse off today than they were in the past. And that is just plain stupid claim
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And the fact you got downvoted is absurd as well. This sub is truly too far gone. I just discovered it myself, but it's almost unreal that people like this exist. Why choose to be willfully ignorant and support a candidate that won't do fuck all? I'll never understand.
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Why choose to be willfully ignorant and support a candidate that won't do fuck all? I'll never understand.
But we dont like Sanders here?
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You win the award for dumbest reply I've ever gotten in my life, congrats.
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This sub downvotes anything that goes against the narrative.
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The narrative being how to actually help the global poor and not just benefit middle class white people.
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Best of luck winning a general election and down ballot races after alienating the progressive wing of the party. How'd all the Sanders supporters staying home/ 1/3 of them voting for Trump work out for you guys last time?
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How'd all the Sanders supporters staying home/ 1/3 of them voting for Trump work out for you guys last time?
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How'd all the Sanders supporters staying home/ 1/3 of them voting for Trump work out for you guys last time?
I thought only 10% of them actually voted for Trump? We don't know how many stayed home or voted third party.
Also, "last time" was 2018, when exactly this argument about "alienating progressives", plus an additional serving of "Russian meddling is a distraction", was put forward as the reason Democrats would lose big in the midterms. Good thing such a woefully inaccurate prognosis was ignored then.
Hopefully there won't be an email leak this time with its contents twisted in tweets and press releases to make it look like Bernie was "cheated" despite losing legitimately.
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They had us in the first half, not gonna lie.
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If Biden beats Bernie decisively then Biden will have fighting chance.
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RemindMe! 90 days
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Don't call it a comeback
I've been here for years
I'm rocking my peers
Puttin' suckers in fear
Makin' the tears rain down like a monsoon
Listen to the bass go boom
Explosions, overpowerin'
Over the competition I'm towerin'
Wrecking shop when I write these lyrics
That'll make you call the cops
Don't you dare stare, you better move
Don't ever compare
Me to the rest that'll all get sliced and diced
Competition's payin' the price
I'm gonna knock you out
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omae wa mou shindeiru
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Are you delusional? Ffs
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Serious delusions going on here. The reason Bernie actually does well with Amy/ Pete supporters is because heโs actually a progressive. Biden is the old guard in every way. Heโs so bad at being the old guard that he canโt even raise money from PACs/ corporations. The voters of this party will put forward a progressive, I think many would prefer going about it the easy way but the hard way is still better than Biden, at least in the minds of most voters.
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Unfortunately, Bloomberg is about to blow everything up, dropping Biden under the 15% threshold in CA and handing Sanders all 416 delegates. Bloomberg needs to drop the fuck out.
Pray SC gives some unreal boost and Amy drops out
Amy dropping out would give Bernie a big boost in MM
If it takes Biden over the 15% threshold, her dropping out gives more delegates to Biden than to Sanders.
Her votes go to Bernie according to polls?
A plurality yes; in some.
Minnesota is the only primary she can get delegates from. If she drop out it become a one horse race with Bernie in the lead.
Surely becoming viable in California is worth Bernie winning Minnesota?
See what happens I guess
Joe Scarborough mentioned yesterday that Bloomberg only entered the race cause he thought Biden was getting cornered by the likes of Harris and Castro - in theory Biden is Mikes ultimate candidate but he thought that along with Trump's confected Oppo Biden might be screwed..
Scarborough pointed out that ironically Bloomberg is not replacing anyone as frontrunner and he is not helping replace Joe as a moderate, he is just messing Joe up and making Sanders look like he is dominating because the left progressive vote is all with Sanders and the moderate vote is in fragments