Actual LOL
Posted Feb 29, 2020, 6:42 PM UTC
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Bernie Sanders, in 1980's, praised highly Soviet Union's transport system and the "ideals of the Soviet Revolution"...
From this article:
Bernie Sanders expressed hope that, after “a dismal history,” the Soviet Union could be redeemed by moving “forward into some of the early visions of their revolution, what their revolution was about in 1917.”
Ah, the early visions of the 1917's revolution, with Lenin doing a coup to take power since he couldn't manage to get into power fairly, doing mass censorship, massacring a lot of people including other socialists & communists, running the economy to the ground, launching a civil war, etc.
Fuck Bernie Sanders, that is my blunt message. Yes, he is better than Trump, but that is an incredibly low bar to clear, so low it is kilometers underground...
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The revisionism is hilarious. Lenin was elected by the same body that originally elected Kerensky, the Petrograd soviet, meaning Kerensky is just as self appointed as Lenin was. Kerensky destroyed his own government by arresting the people who were legally mandated to carry out land reform, continuing a deeply unpopular war, inviting allied troops to massacre Russian troops when they refused to fight and inciting a self coup to become a military dictator. After he was removed from Petrograd, his troops went on to massacre 100,000 to 150,000 Jews. A socialist at heart, he spent the rest of his life in a conservative think tank.
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The revisionism is hilarious. Lenin was elected by the same body that originally elected Kerensky
There was no other election after the Bolsheviks went into power. Well, there was the Soviet "elections" (or "election without choice" as people called it) and again after the Soviet Union collapsed. The November revolution was a coup inside a coup against a bloody autocracy. The "ideals" of the November revolution was pretty much the definition of anti-democratic.
The rest of your post is like "Kerensky was terrible". In what way that absolves Lenin for his numerous crimes? And I have seen a lot of tankies who went for "well, Lenin did this, yes, but the Tzar...", I have never seen "well, Lenin did this, but Kerensky...", at least it was new and refreshing take.
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ackchyually Lenin organized elections after the November coup. But other leftists won, so he banned elections and took power.
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Yes, you are right about this.
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Perhaps it was a coup. But it was a coup supported by the working people of the Russian empire and the world at large, which is the only ideal that matters. The tragedy of the Soviet Union was not wether or not society achieved arbitrary values in gdp, economic growth, population or subjective measurement of freedom (for example on paper soviet society was the peak of its political freedom and prosperity immediately before it collapsed) but that the workers were unable to wield their political power beyond ensuring the coup succeeded and the war was won. To study the reasons why this happened is one thing, to disparage the movement all together is another.
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I'll have you know, the Soviet literacy rates were off-the-charts! Not to mention their excellent breadlines, in other countries, people don’t have to line up for food. Imagine living like that.
I never get when commies praise highly Cuba's literacy rates. Ok, you teach people how to read, but you severely limit what they can read through censorship. It is like you teach a bird how to fly then put it in a jail that it can't leave.
That's right liberal, Soviet Union had a 110% mathematical literacy.
Soviet childrens cartoons were seriously awesome, by the way, no sarcasm.
And don't forget that 5 kopek plombieres. Totally worth the gulags!