Rachel Maddow put a lot of things in tremendous perspective just now.
Posted Feb 1, 2011, 5:20 AM UTC
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Rachel Maddow is one of the most intelligent women in America.
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Thank you.
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Good on her!
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So is she suggesting that we should have done something about their government? should we have invaded them in the last 30 years? not given them 'aid'? the 'perspective' she brings is that America with its $14,000billion dollar economy has ties to 'the biggest country in the middle east' as if that's not only a huge surprise but that we should also be angry about it... oh and American warships get priority when going through the port, because they should just kinda sit around more often
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I think she is observing the fact that the people of Egypt are demanding a true democracy, and we, the United States, stand to lose alot in that deal. So, Are we going to help a people be free from what they consider to be an illegititmate government, or will we protect our interests like we always do. Usually in the name of freedom.
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I get all tingly when I see these protesters. I'm excited!
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I think she is alluding to the fact that we just spent billions of our infalted military budget for decades on a military that is going to just sit back and cave when the time for them to protect our interests is actually here, and needed most.
Next comes a government led by the muslim brotherhood, and further "distabization" of the middle east. Man I am sure gald we got into Iraq and stabilized that business there.
The point I think she was alluding to, kinda reminds me of the special forces guy on 60 minutes talking about how they had Osama Bin Laden in their sights and were giving out millions in cash to the afghan fighters in suitcases to help track Bin Laden. When they wanted to take him out, they were repeatedly told to let the Afghan fighters take the lead, till they woke up one morning at gun point and the fighters took off, its suspected with Bin Laden.
We spend billions on military related crap and continually fuck it up. Can't wait to see what happens to gas prices next.
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I listened to the whole thing, fuck this corporate stuff to distract the left. There's some good stuff in Maddow's opinion piece, but too much angry opinion, soundbytes and no humanity and people from Egyptians speaking.
I think if you want a more accurate perspective listen to today's (jan 31 ) democracy now. Warning: It's not your typical corporate' 5 minutes of angry opinions interspersed with facts.
From democracy now I liked hearing the Egyptian people chant: Muslims-Christians We're all Egyptians. If you only watched maddow, you think all they were chanting was Mubarak must go, which they are chanting too, it's just there's a lot more there then Maddow's 5 minute fluff piece.
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What's really hilarious about this comment is that the Democracy Now producer is a guest-by-phone in Cairo on this episode of the Rachel Maddow Show, which you would've find out if you'd continued watching after the clip.
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God I love it when they get it wrong. One of the things I love (and sometimes hate) about RM is that she will probably spend the rest of the week talking about nothing else but Democracy in the Middle East. "5 minute fluff piece" my ass.
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just watch al jazeera english.
Watch what your corporate masters won't allow you to.
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Al Jazeera is owned by the Qatar Media Corporation.
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I'm watching Al Jazeera English on my Samsung monitor, connected to my Apple Mac Pro, going through a couple of Apple routers, talking to a Motorola cable modem connected to Comcast's cable internet service. I've also watched it over my AT&T cellular internet service.
Seems that none of those particular corporate masters have any problem allowing me to watch it....
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Left-wing gate-keeper!!!
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Those corporations don't have much power compared to the power of the media gate keepers.
Do you really think Apple wouldn't shut you out of AJ if they could?
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Comcast isn't a media gatekeeper? They're certainly a media company, and it would be trivial for them to block it if they wanted to.
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Al Jazeera is the red pill. Take it!
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You trust a commentator that gets paid hundreds of thousands of dollars per year, who is employed by General Electric (and now Comcast) to put things into perspective for you? And of course you realize that the "MS" in MSNBC means Microsoft, right? Just saying.
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What did she say that you think is incorrect?
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I'm sure everything she said was correct, you know what is also correct? All the stuff you didn't hear because the owners of MSNBC wouldn't like it.
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Such as...
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I mean, she did talk about the Mubarak regime's connection to our MI complex. Is that the sort of stuff he means?
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RM and KO regularly report(ed) material that would be detrimental for GE to have publicized. Please list specific problems you have.
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Though Keith doesn't any more . . . sigh.
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When are Mr. Maddow's testicles gonna descend...
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After yours are surgically implanted.
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Conservatives are so intelligent.
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You shouldn't talk about people's families like that.
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Why does it always come back to genitals with conservatives? Why the fixation?
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Closeted gays, they can't help it.
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Nice.
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#41361217
Thank you.
Yeah. She did put things into perspective. Thanks for recommending the video.
Going through your submission history...do you simply not like to put links into your posts?
Comment karma AND link karma this way.
Self-posts generate no karma, neither link nor comment.
I post things as I experience them, sorry.
Can't watch video at work, transcript? I cancelled my cable some months ago, but I find I actually do miss her show it was about the only political show I could stomach.
also, yes, huge crush on her.
Thats fucking gross.
hey you stop judging my sexual deviences, and I won't mention the rubber gimp suit and 14" dong I found in your mom's closet last weekend.
I believe her show is available as a video podcast somewhere on the MSNBC site. I know Olbermann's used to be, so I assume all of their shows are.
Also available on iTunes as a free podcast every night.
What kind of Internet troll did you unleash on us, Leninmb?
Nobodyreallycares...I just watched Democracy Now for nearly an hour. They have yet to say anything Rachel Maddow and others on MSNBC haven't already told me. What shocking news am I supposed to see?
She acts like we did something stupid or bad. Democracy ain't so good (for anyone, including secular Egyptians) if the Muslim Brotherhood wins and puts the country under sharia law, closes the Suez, destabolizes the middle east and, perhaps, the world. Democracy would be great if the Egyptians chose a decent government, but, as I understand it, it is likley that democracy in Egypt means Egypt will become more like the Arab version of Iran.
So democracy only works as long as it doesn't effect your way of life? We have been exporting the cost of how we live to other countries by supporting dictators. The Muslim Brotherhood appears to be moving in the direction of Turkey in its reform ideas.
Might that change? Might they suddenly decide that they want it all? Sure, and that is something that is possible. Its just as possible that someone like Sarah Palin or Michelle Bachmann gets elected here and maybe the rest of the world doesn't like that but they support the process.
If Sarah Palin or Michelle Bachmann were ever elected president, I'm not sure how enthused I would be about democracy...
It may be ugly but its a site better then having no vote or voice at all. People have the right to have a say in who their leaders are.
Not the USAs decision to make.
Never said it's the US's decision or that we should intervene at all. I think our previous actions (dealing with Mubarek while he was in charge) were appropriate. I think we have to let this run its course, no matter what the outcome because it's worse for us to be seen as intervening... That said, I think it would be much better for us if the Muslim Brothehood does not seize control.
Democracy would be great if the Egyptians chose a decent government
If Egypt turns to radical Islam, tourism in Egypt will drop like a stone. Egypt is HEAVILY reliant on tourism dollars coming in, and that will have the effect of hurting the average citizen. I think they'll go a much more moderate route, particularly considering the overall level of education Egypt has in comparison to many other Islamic countries.
Countries have done stupider things in the past.
I doubt that for several reasons.
The Muslim Brotherhood, unlike the ruling party in Iran, is not at war with the West. They condemned the 9/11 attacks and they are traditionally nonviolent, while Iran has always had a more bellicose relationship with the West. Wiki says that Brotherhood's stated goal is to instill the Qur'an and Sunnah as the "sole reference point for ... ordering the life of the Muslim family, individual, community ... and state." This isn't unlike conservative christian leaders in the US attempting to legislate the Bible. Religious? Yes. But their goals do not necessarily imply that they intend to follow the Iranian model.
Unlike Khomeini in Iran, the opposition leader (ElBaradei) in the Egyptian movement is secular. Moreover, this article from Al Jazeera points out how the Egyptians' grievances are secular in nature and how the MB has very little role in the protests other than supporting them. In Iran, the revolution was a backlash against Westernization under the Shah (in addition to the Shah's iron fist). Even then, however, Khomeini drastically underplayed his plans to set up an Islamist state until it was too late. source: wiki. So even popular support for him did not necessarily reflect a desire to be governed by the Qu'ran.
According to ElBaradei, the MB has nothing to do with the Iranian model, and they are a minority.
It is hardly our place to decide what is best for the Egyptian people, especially since what they are demanding is their basic human rights to political expression, to vote for their government, and to participate in the political discourse.
One must wonder, if the Muslim Brotherhood went by a name that did not have the word 'Muslim' in it, whether people would even be having this discussion.
It's not true that Iran was hostile to US before the revolution.
Living under Sharia law is pretty intense... I hope for more for the educated elite of Cairo, and find it odd that liberals in the US seem ok with tribal fundies taking over... Btw, those guys are "liberal" at ALL.
If you don't believe in people's right to choose their own destiny just come out and say it.