We have a pandemic going on, and all people can do is back up their team and stand their ground. Neither team is very different from each other, and both advocate policies that make it tougher for the common person while easing the strain on their lords. I'm so sick of it, and i hope that all of these people die on the hill they are defending.
Posted Mar 25, 2020, 11:57 AM UTC
Laughs in getting paid sick leave and actually affordable healthcare. Like let's just allow businesses to decide how they feel they should be run. Tax cuts, and bailouts, it's almost as if the us government is entirely run by corporations and who has money. This whole system promotes politicians to accept money from donors and to become more sycophantic and dirty. Like I havent heard a single peep out of these corporate news media that Bernie has grassroot funded 2 million dollars for Covid 19 relief. It's all about protecting the donors and big businesses.
Exactly! And i am jelly of that sick leave, i have reasonably affordable healthcare, but my union hasn't been able to tack down sick leave yet, we've only been fighting for it and single payer healthcare for a little over a century!
I'm truly blessed to be being payed full time hourly at home right now. It's funny I've never seen so many people outside walking their dogs until their was the self isolation. We might just have to make a wall to keep our southern neighbours out. Laughs in smoking legal weed at home playing video games all while getting paid for it.
Damn. I hear ya. We aare in the Appalachian Piedmont, so dog walking is opening up the back door! No legal herb yet, but hopefully we get it in my lifetime.
The creation of the United States caused them to have a deep and twisted two sided backstabby sort of thing for it's whole existence. It will always be a problem until somebody competent wants to change these politics to be more peaceful and, therefore, with a better functionality
An anti imperialist in charge? That's a dream.
I know. If it were my way, things would be different. It's hard to cling to your beliefs when there is so much old tradition though
AI can't replace us fast enough!
What if we were AI? I would love to be sentient and have an impeccable mind
and all people can do is back up their team and stand their ground.
That is not politics, that is human nature. There's a million research papers and books inspired by those research papers that show that people are incapable of been objective, that they are extremely tribal and will support their team even if you shove the best information in their face, they will discard or misrepresent the facts that don't fit their team's view and will remember the ones that do.
Read something like Social Animal by Eliot Aronson or Moral Tribes by Joshua Greene to understand this.
Here you have the review of a book by a libertarian offering a potential solution to this problem: https://quillette.com/2020/03/22/against-democracy-a-review/
No offense, but I have found the few editorials and essays from Brennan to be quite dry and mostly unbased. I also did not appreciate his view of his beliefs of how society should work as the only logical order, which is pretty common in most ideologies that seek to control. In my experience, most "Libertarians" seem to believe that the Randian system would lead them to being rich without recognizing their current pecking order. The Libertarian system is what world politics was until recently. My Scythian, Jewish, Byzantine, Greek, Anglo-Saxon, and Nordic ancestors used the lack of saftey for the common man to create inescapable tyranny for all those lower in class than they were. Organizations will form, whether we recognize them as "states" or not, and they will become states to protect what they percieved to be theirs. I would argue the problem isn't who controls the wealth, but the ideology of wealth and the mythology connectin wealth and merit.
Hey, no offense at all, you make very good points. The article makes very clear that there is no practical way of implementing Mr Brennan ideas, at lest for now. But it's very interesting to consider alternatives. There's no need to go all-in in a system, yo can test some partial changes to some of the public or private institutions and see how they work.
Randian system
I dislike Ayn Rand, her ideas are childish and simplistic, but I do like personal freedom as long as it doesn't step-on the freedoms of others. (Drink and do all the drugs you like, but don't drive under the influence because you can kill others would be the classical example).
The Libertarian system is what world politics was until recently
That is debatable. At the core of the Libertarian ideology is personal freedom for everybody, if you use your freedom to enslave others, that stops been Libertarian ideology. You are referring more to an anarchic system that derived into an authoritarian one as the strong imposed their will on the rest.
Organizations will form, whether we recognize them as "states" or not, and they will become states to protect what they percieved to be theirs.
I agree with this. The only escape to this will be something like genetic engineering. (The book "Moral Tribes" makes a very interesting analysis of this topic)
I would argue the problem isn't who controls the wealth, but the ideology of wealth and the mythology connectin wealth and merit.
I see this as an status problem, people don't want wealth, they want status, and wealth is a means to that end. We are, at the end, 98,5% chimps according to our DNA. If you change the status symbols (and the social pressure around them) you change the problem. For example, in America, material wealth is the main status symbol so everybody goes into debt to have as much status as possible. But if you take a place like Japan, the main status symbols is to study and work as much as possible and do as good as possible in those places, so they study 16 hours a day and work 90 hours a week and die of exhaustion at work, because that is how they get as much status as possible and what the social pressure is.
Overthrow the state
US bi-partisan system is useless and a shame. A really developed system must have: the left wing party who considers itself the salvation of the people, the green party that is like a watermelon (green outside, red inside), the typical boring Social democrats, the liberals as bridge, the conservatives or Christian democrats who tend to be more like "coinservatives", the hard right wing party who considers itself the salvation of the people. Also need a wacky party, and it can be Communists, Nationalists, or Regionalists with secessionist tendencies.
This don't guarantee governability, but at least the discussion is plural and unpolluted by Centrist manipulation by compromise.
Let me start by saying I’m 100% aware that communism / socialism or other left leaning styles are flawed.
This crisis has shown how bad a government hurts when it’s too far into the right.
Living in Ontario, Canada, I am one of the few that doesn’t complain much about taxes, since I come from Brazil where taxes are even higher. And at times like these it shows where the taxes are going. Lots of people will receive employment insurance ^eventually and nobody should go into crippling debt if they get sick.
I officially became a citizen of Canada in January, and as much as I may not like Trudeau all that much, him and all other heads of government are doing such a damn good job. I am sad that my family is stuck with Bolsonaro though. He’s just a Trump wannabe with a passion for military dictatorship in his monkey brain.
I hate politics just like I hate cold showers. Sometimes it’s necessary to deal with it.
I mean, i consider myself pretty far to the left(further than Bolivar or Marx). I am a railworker, so my taxes are a little different than others. For that same rate of taxation, people in Sweden get higher education and healthcare. Now, they are still stuck with archaic institutions like intellectual property, but at least they get more than a slap in the face every time the stock market trips.
Roman Republic in a Nutshell
Imperialism/capitalism in a nutshell
That's pretty true. No side is much better than the other. The only thing they think of is how trash the other side is. In reality, both parties suggest some good, but also a lot of bad. It's best to be somewhere in the middle. We are hurting ourselves by being so divided.
Its entertaining to watch, but the only pro of it all.
The whole bipartisan system is flawed.