But what’s wrong with English ? !!

SERIOUS: Many people telling me I must learn Arabic to understand Quran. I am 76 years old, there is no Arabic school in my village. (Southern Arizona) I want to study Holy Quran before I die. Who among you can condemn me.

Posted Apr 9, 2020, 4:18 PM UTC

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ToPonder•

A lot of people argue that in order to understand the Quran, you need to be an Arab or otherwise fluent in classical Arabic. They would argue that the Arabic of the Quran is so different of today's Arabic that you can't possibly understand it. Saying that almost every Arabic word has so many different meanings and that a dictionary wouldn't suffice so we can only rely on the interpretation given to us through scholars and/or hadith of presumably the time of our Prophet which for whatever reason are in a style we can in fact understand.

I will tell you this. The formal Arabic that is used today, with all it's grammar rules and what not, is in fact very much the same as classical Quranic Arabic. Meaning of words are more often that not the same. If there are other definitions which would entirely change the meaning of a verse then you should indeed use a lexicon/dictionary to find all meanings associated with that word and come to a conclusion that doesn't contradict the rest of the Quran. Beware that you are from that moment indeed 'interpreting', rather than just translating word by word. This is the methodology used by a lot of Quran 'translators'/interpreters/scholars.

There is nothing wrong in studying the Quran by using translations when the meaning is without a doubt the same. Just beware of using an interpretation that suits your desire when there is a possibility of there being other meanings. Then, just accept that its true meaning is with Allah.

Surah Ali 'Imran (3:7)

It is He who has sent down to you, [O Muhammad], the Book; in it are verses [that are] precise - they are the foundation of the Book - and others unspecific. As for those in whose hearts is deviation [from truth], they will follow that of it which is unspecific, seeking discord and seeking an interpretation [suitable to them]. And no one knows its [true] interpretation except Allah . But those firm in knowledge say, "We believe in it. All [of it] is from our Lord." And no one will be reminded except those of understanding.

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andre2020OP•

I thank you friend for your kindness.

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Ummah_Strong•

I think it's really cool you're on reddit. I think you are seeking knowledge for the sake of Allah and should ignore anyone who doesnt like that.

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andre2020OP•

This feels so right. Thank you.

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MuslimStoic•

There is no problem with any translation. Qur'an is both the easiest book to understand and also the hardest book to understand. If you want to read and get all the basic points the author is making then just pick any translation and you will get it. If you want to study it deeply form your own opinion free from any outside influence, then you will need to "start" by learning Arabic and by the time you reach that level it may take 3-4 decades. Sure you just want to do the former, hence pick any translation and have a go. Whoever condemns you, ignore them.

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andre2020OP•

Thank you friend.

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halotacon666•

I agree. 30-40 years to learn Arabic? More 4-10 years.

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MuslimStoic•

Sorry for not being clear, I said 30-40 years to complete the journey of being able to interpret Qur'an as a scholar, where the journey starts from Learning Arabic, then you learn classical literature, read poetry of that time, understand other fields like Hadith, Kalam, Fiqh, History read other tafseer work etc.

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Quranic_Islam•

There are many many things you can study in the Qur'an, many insights you get from really thinking about and investigating certain things, just by using translations alone (English or otherwise) that some people with perfect Arabic would never see.

Definetly 76 is long past the age of caring what other people think.

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andre2020OP•

Thank you, suggestions?

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Quranic_Islam•

Not sure what you mean. Topics to investigate? Or verses? Or what I myself have "learnt"?

Just start reading any where slowly and with your mind turned on rather than off and doors start opening.

Or take a short chapter and "live with it" for a few days or a week, keep it in your mind and try to see its relevance around you.

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andre2020OP•

Friend u/Quranic_Islam, thank you for your kind advice. andré

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halotacon666•

There are no perfect translations. The message of the Holy Books is simple, Love God, Love your neighbors and Love others as you Love yourself. You don't have to read any Books anymore if that isn't possible anymore if you understand what that means.

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andre2020OP•

Thank you for reply. I do understand.

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969ruhhh•

Ain't nothing wrong with English. As long as you understand God's message

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andre2020OP•

You see my friend, this is what I am thinking.

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PassTheIzm•

Many people telling me I must learn Arabic to understand Quran.

That's 100% true, Qur'aan is in Arabic and can ONLY be understood in its original language. English isn't the language of the Qur'aan.

You may understand some things here and there but you'll never understand the full message. Ever.

That's a fact.

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andre2020OP•

Then should I turn to a false religion, and say a Muslim sent me.?

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PassTheIzm•

Why do you need to follow a religion? Why not believe in a higher power and be a good person?

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andre2020OP•

Let he who has eyes see. Thank you friend.

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ismcanga•

Nothing's wrong with English, leave those haughty lot. Arabic is yet another language. All languages or idioms are God's creations, as you would know the American English differs in many way from Canadian, South African and especially British English.

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Because the daily requirements of sustaining the life is handled via a language. Arabic speakers are too haughty as they still talk the language of 7th century Arabia. No other language on earth including the Hebrew had stand the erosion of time like this. But as Arabic speakers absorb their identity of being born in this community, they abuse their space and they are lost with tradition.

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Use word by word translations and see how God had decreed the notions with very few words. Each verse sent by God needs to be read with its explanation, each verse needs to be taken seriously and they are algebraic statements.

You can find similar works done by Christians and Jews about Torah and Gospel, but these two congregations place their scholarly opinion in front of God' verses. God always sent the scripture with His definition, if you come across with a word or statement you don't find an issue out of, you need to find the explanation of it.

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andre2020OP•

Dear friend I thank you for your support.

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ismcanga•

As a starting point, you can check discussion forums on reddit. But if you say, I want to delve right in , try to have a word by word translation of Quran. Majority of them sadly uphold the predestination notion, and the crucial part of reading Quran is related with one word:

  • shaeh

is the word in Arabic meaning to thing, or to make it happen. All translation from major schools, translate it as passive word, and twist it the subject with object.

Never fear of coming up with the correct solution, you can ask the question to Quran, or any God's scripture and it would answer surely. The rest is upto you.

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andre2020OP•

Thank you friend for your good advice.

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