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Wendeli

Easy to try out akc events that have a low ramp up?

I'm starting my pup on agility training in june (hopefully the lockdown will end by then...) and in prep for the year or two before I can hopefully do events with him was wondering if there was an easy to ramp up akc event I could also do. He's never been to a dog show before and I want to give him exposure to the chaos in prep. I was wondering if anyone knew some events that were very easy and lots of fun for him to participate in.

The only thing coming to mind is Fast CAT (he's tried a lure course before and is happy to chase the rabbit) and possible Rally to practice focus in the dog show environment. He's a keeshond and not a ball chaser so things like flyball are not likely. He just got neutered, so can't be shown. He will also only go waist deep into water so dock diving is not going to happen.

He currently has his CGC, TKI and I'm working on an advanced trick dog title right now. I'm basically knocking down all the easy titles and working up, but he's my first dog so I don't really know what to aim for next. Did you guys do any easier events before starting ACT and other agility trials?

Posted Apr 9, 2020, 5:19 PM UTC · edited

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saurapidscentwork, rally•

I recommend looking for local "fun days" or matches/ring time. A lot of times the environment is similar to a trial, with dogs crated, (some) dogs barking, etc., multiple rings in use. My club offers them 2-3 times a year or so, and sets up rings for agility/rally/other (last time nosework, time before that barnhunt and tracking).

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WendeliOP•

My club tries to emulate ring environments when they do rally classes. Dogs crated, other classes happening next to them, classes only divided by a fence, but there's usually no more than a dozen dogs in the room at a time. I haven't started any rally training, but his foundation training is all next to these classes and they look really useful. I'll look around for this too!

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saurapidscentwork, rally•

That's a great start, so if you're interested in rally it might be worth taking those classes. I do rally with my first sports dog and it's a pretty low-pressure trial environment. :)

I'll caution you a little with rushing into any ring though, even if your goal is just acclimation. Obviously this depends on you and your dog, but with mine I find that my dog is massively more confident and able to handle challenging environments when he is also more confident about what he's doing there. If you're a first time competitor and/or your dog is new to sports, I highly recommend taking the time to get foundations down, especially in sports like rally where you can't reward in the ring. My first rally trial I was nervous but my dog was 100% ready to work, and that made it a great experience for both of us.

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orangetangerineCompeting: OB, NW, Barn Hunt, Rally, Agility, Confo•

Just as an FYI we realllllyyyy don't have ACTs available around here. The closest one was somewhere near Reno last year and it was the first one within a day's drive in years. All trials are also outdoors and on grass/active horse arenas.

Your best bet would be to train to a level higher than Novice, hit up fun matches or outdoor classes to get an idea of how your dog works in more distracting environments, and then go straight to AKC Novice or USDAA Starter. Another option if driving to the Sacramento area is not a problem is CPE, which is generally easier and more laid back than AKC, but only one venue hosts CPE anymore and they're up there.

IMO in terms of what would be the best sport to ramp up with the idea of Agility in mind would be Rally and/or Obedience at outdoor trials since that will be a good overlap in understanding how your dog manages a trial environment (and Rally starts on-leash too so you have that at least to control your dog). Outdoor Rally trials are 70%+ of what is available in our geo and can be insanely distracting to dogs who do a good job indoors so its good to train to that environment and get information on how your dog manages working in grass around other dogs with little to no reinforcement, since that is what will happen in Agility but off-leash.

In terms of what sports are easy to just try, the lowest barrier to entry is FastCAT, although FastCAT season will be pretty much over by the time we get to go out again and won't come back til the Fall. Barn Hunt is also a good option to try, but can get deceptively difficult for many dogs who do not have odor obedience or an understanding of the job they have to do (lots of dogs stress out or plateau when they hit a specific level). Nosework is a good one to try as well, and a dog who is on odor could easily title in AKC Novice Containers, but if you want to have a more "diverse" scentwork dog and you plan on continuing on, you will need to train for awhile across multiple disciplines (Interiors, Exteriors, Buried).

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WendeliOP•

Noooo. I was really counting on the ACT trials for early practice :(. Agility is realistically years away though, so I'm in no rush. How did you know you were ready to start trialing Cam? Besides Fast CAT which has no threshold for entry, I just can't figure out when a dog would be ready for a trial of any kind.

All I can see in my head is this nightmare situation where Kuma decides he's done with my crap, plops his butt on the floor and refuses to move or barks his head off because there's so many distracting everything around =.= He's pretty good in really dog and people dense areas actually, have gone to a couple of dog festivals and lots of outdoor music concerts and he's chill, but I just don't know what he'd be like at a show.

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stormeegedonHunting - Agility•

Eh, we have fun matches periodically, which I would argue is more valuable than the ACT. Just a bit rough since a lot of them are on Fridays so you may need to take time off work to go. I always host my club’s fun match on Saturday, but our May trial was cancelled and the next one is end of August and ain’t no one sticking around in near 100 degree weather for a fun match, so I’ll likely host one in November...maybe. I would honestly expect more fun matches to pop up in the next year as people try to make up for the loss of club events. We’ll see though.

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orangetangerineCompeting: OB, NW, Barn Hunt, Rally, Agility, Confo•

How did you know you were ready to start trialing Cam?

I brought him to a CPE event last summer and ran him at Level 1 (no mandatory weaves or teeter) treating it completely as a fun match and not expecting him to qualify, because we were far from a place I felt would be trial ready and we had not attended any fun matches. I learned a lot just from bringing him there, like how he runs in extension, how he runs in grass, and how he runs in dirt. The Novice level courses are very open and it was different than what we were learning so I started adjusting my timing and practicing distance and independence with him after that match. He NQed most of his runs and even took the teeter the wrong way, although managing to qualify in a points game, but it was less important that he did that and more than I got so much information as to how he was managing the space and where our training had holes in it.

Besides Fast CAT which has no threshold for entry, I just can't figure out when a dog would be ready for a trial of any kind.

I mean, it's really a "try it" sort of thing and it is completely dependent on your process. It's okay for your dog to not do well -- most people really struggle at their first Rally fun match or trial because even though their dog is flawless in their training building, the behavior hasn't been proofed for other areas. That's a big reason they have an "A division" in AKC for most sports, so that newbies don't necessarily have to compete against experienced people for placements.

Cherry, my terrier, was my first A dog in Rally and Agility. I noticed that everything we'd enter would be outside, so on top of the skill work we did, I also brought her to an outdoor Rally class, and took intermediate pet dog (pre-CGC level) obedience at a local club that trains outdoors at a busy park, even though she had already passed her CGCA. It gave me an understanding of which environmental distractors she could work through and which were a challenge for her.

Same thing for Agility, which we started doing fun matches a year later. I started doing drop ins at other facilities and also running her on grass at a few local fields when they opened up fun matches, so when she got to her first trial, while I had never trialed her in dirt, she had realized that Agility was something we did no matter what surface we were on.

For Cam, who has different pitfalls than Cherry and in certain ways that are a detriment to dog sports is more environmental, I've literally just gone very slowly with him and worked on his foundations over and over. He was already at a sequencing level at his first facility before we had to move on since we couldn't run him on the floors there anymore, and instead of going to a "harder" class elsewhere, or even a similar-level class, I brought him to a very, very basic "foundations" class with a different instructor, which is what we were doing until COVID-19 hit. The class is still doing really, really basic stuff like wing wraps and starting contacts, but it's outdoors in grass and also around other dogs who are very distracted so it's still very valuable and I don't really care that we've gone so far "backwards" at all. He had a sequencing class lined up which is postponed unfortunately but at least we worked out his relationship running on grass before hitting the new class.

u/stormeegedon is right, fun matches and CPE is a way better intermediary to trialing than ACTs, although it would be nice to have ACTs around here more often to at least earn easier titles or have something in-between for people to do. We already have it pretty difficult because we have zero indoor trials in the entire state for the most part, so any dog that wants to run agility competitively will need to learn how to run on grass/dirt.

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ambrymRally, Tricks, CATs, Obedience•

I’m competing with my first sport dog and we’ve done rally, obedience, coursing, weight pull, and barnhunt. I’ve never tried agility so I can’t say wether or not it’s “easier” than any other sport but I will say that in my experience coursing has the lowest training requirements but can be an overwhelming atmosphere for some dogs since many dogs are in drive and are barking, screeching, lunging, etc. Rally and barnhunt people tend to be extremely welcoming and helpful and can be low stress sports to start out. If you try rally, you can read the premiums and see if there are any trials that aren’t being held in conjunction with a conformation show. Those will be quieter venues and likely just a ring for rally and a ring for obedience.

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WendeliOP•

How long did it take you to prep for rally? There is a rally course at my training club that goes from beginning to advanced, but it feels like ramp up would take half a year at least if I went through all the classes. I am almost done with the foundation classes (one more class to go) in the club and their next progression is either rally or obedience.

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ambrymRally, Tricks, CATs, Obedience•

I’ll preface by saying that we’ve never taken in-person classes and we didn’t do any foundation work before we started rally. I signed us up for Rally Skillbuilding 1 at bronze from Fenzi Dog Sports Academy in August of 2018 and we were competing by late October. We’re not a high-scoring, flashy, precise team but we’re now competing in the master class and halfway to finishing our title

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court67•

Before entering your first competition, you should look for fun matches in your area to try first! You can also sometimes go to show sites with your unentered dog and just practice focus and engagement in this environments.

The lowest barrier of entry sports, IME, are dock diving and lure coursing, but they don’t replicate an agility trial in any way. Rally is probably the next easiest that would actually transfer over to other sports with a ring that require handler focus. :)

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WendeliOP•

I have wondered about going to dog shows without entries. How do you know if the show is welcoming about that? The usual rule of these places is dogs are not allowed to greet each other correct?

My pup used to be awful about barking at everything when he was a puppy, but at a year old he seems to have calmed down and gained a lot of self control. He doesn't bark in training classes, on walks or in busy dog events. but I always worry that something new will send him off into a barking frenzy =.= (he still barks insanely at cats and farm animals).

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court67•

Most shows say not to bring unentered dogs, but if you’re training as if you were warming up to compete and don’t advertise the fact that you aren’t entered, it’s likely fine. Dogs absolutely should not greet each other at trials, they shouldn’t be anywhere near each other. You shouldn’t hang out ringside or be near any competitors really.

If you scope out trials in your area, you can usually get a feel for how the venue works. I’d encourage you to attend trials without your dog first, and then bring him in if the space is good for it. But you can get a ton of trial prep just practicing in the parking lot/entryway, rehearsing ignoring other dogs and offering his attention to you.

You mentioned training classes, have you done any sport-focused training classes yet? If any of your instructors compete, they would be great resources to ask about options in your area.

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ZZBCBarn Hunt, Nosework, Coursing Ability Test, Trick Dog•

Barn hunt can be pretty easy to get started in depending on your dog. There’s even an optional instinct level. Also from my experience everyone is extremely friendly and super excited to bring in new people. Our trials are often held on the same grounds as agility trials and we love when people come over to check it out.

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procyon_DVM•

I totally agree with this - not an AKC event per se (though they will recognize the titles) but many dogs can do well at this sport without extensive training and it’s a pretty low-pressure sort of environment. My dog LOVES this sport. I got him as an agility prospect but tore my ACL running with him right as he was old enough to start really jumping and weaving so was out of agility for awhile and we took up Barn Hunt and it definitely did a lot of good for us as far as relationship and teamwork.

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ZZBCBarn Hunt, Nosework, Coursing Ability Test, Trick Dog•

I think the teamwork required for a Barn Hunt is often overlooked. It’s a really great sport for learning how to read your dog and communicate with them without physical contact. especially if you have a dog that is not naturally in intense indicator.

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procyon_DVM•

Haha, my dog is an extremely intense indicator. Actually my biggest concern starting out was that he would rough the tube too much. That’s why our only NQ in 4 Novice entries was me calling rat on a litter tube too early when he found the tube and was investigating it and I was worried that he would pick it up and shake it. I learned to let him work the tube a little first after that!

My favorite BH story was in our first Open entry, he did the other elements and found the first rat quickly then started indicating hard on another tube. The judge said it was litter and showed me where the “live” tube was but Hachi just came over half-heartedly then went back to the spot where the “litter” was, just kept barking. I asked the judge to check the tube and the one he found was live! It was such a great “trust your dog” moment and we went HIC in that run too. :)

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DigitalClutter🐩🐩🐩 agility, rally, coursing, tricks•

You could be ready to do ACT 1 well before a novice agility trial (it only has the a frame, table, tunnels and jumps). That’s the first thing I did before doing a novice trial. And it was awesome!!! We got 4th place out of 20 dogs and our ACT1 title. The still needs to be agility age to be entered (15 months).

UKI allows training in the ring with toys during the actual runs at trials and you can do whatever you want if you just want to do jumps etc or make the ring a fun time. AKC is now allowing this but the rules are stringent in a way that I’d probably pass (think it’s just for T2B).

Also just taking your dog to a trial, especially an outdoors one with a lot of space and room just to walk around like you’re warming him up and then pack it up and leave is ok (I wouldn’t bring an unentered dog to an indoor venue because space is often tight).There’s a big outside show near me that does lure coursing runs and agility on the same days over a three day event, so that’s another option to get in some coursing plus the agility environment at the same time. There’s also a similar set up of rally and I ur e coursing at another outdoor show I attend, so you could enter lure coursing and then do rally or just practice (as long as you keep distance as to not have entered dogs being distracted etc of course!).

Have you attended a trial alone? You should! They always need volunteers and you’ll learn a lot, being a leash runner is easy and you get to be right there! This would also give you the chance to see how a venue is set up and decide if maybe it would be ok to ever bring your dog in to soak up the environment or if it’s a tight space that isn’t good for that at all. And you can check out different venues to get an idea of where you might want to debut.

Lastly a lot of the places around me that have a Friday trial will do a fun run after the end of the day where you pay and can do whatever you want on the course for 2 minutes. I did this with my unentered dog and exposed him to the trial for about an hour before we did our fun run.

If you’re in the northeast I can give some specific venues/places to check out!

Good luck!

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CallMeMrsSlenderParkour, Tricks and undecided but excited•

Its not AKC but my boxer was slated to start agility this month and our alternate was to take up Parkour. Same sort of concepts just far easier to get into IMO since it doesn't need fancy equipment unless you want to be extra in conditioning your dog.

We are currently taking a course on it through FDSA but all the info is located on the International Dog Parkour associations website. They're even offering a really easy quarantine title with the proceeds going to help secure PPE for healthcare workers.

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