I will be prepping/coating a car this weekend with CQuartz UK 3.0 + Gliss V2. I wasn’t able to find any posts about using Kamikaze Overcoat as a maintenance product for this.
Does anyone have experience using Overcoat on CarPro coatings or other recommendations? I haven’t been impressed with Reloads longevity and water behavior in the past.
Posted May 18, 2020, 6:02 PM UTC
I'm pretty sure gliss is recommended to be used as a topper. I'd personally do just the UK 3.0 if you're planning on doing the overcoat. You might be just wasting product at that point
More so for using as a maintenance product every few months. My understanding was even with Gliss you use Reload every 3-6 months as maintenance. (Not immediately after application)
I’ll probably just do UK + Overcoat then. I was trying to do a budget coating similar to the Miyabi + Zipang with Overcoat for maintenance without spending $450 just on coating.
I actually reapply reload every other wash because it doesn't last that long. It comes out to about 1-2 months max before I put another layer on (this is for a non-daily driven car)
I heard mixed results online with applying a toppers after the initial curing stage is over (about a week). Some say that it doesn't last as long if you apply it too late after the primary coating was put on and some say it's fine.
I personally find that with cquartz + gliss or 2 coats of cquartz is more than enough even when comparing professional grade coatings like finest or even the miyabi/icm or zipang combo. I'm beginning to find that all these products are alot more similar than I thought so although a premium coating like miyabi/zipang is undoubtfully a better product, I'd say the delta is probably at 10-15% better at most. Cquartz is essentially half the cost that does 85-90% of what kamikaze does.
I'd say you're likely in the ballpark...but when that last 15% allows me to be 7.5% lazier with regards to maintenance, it's priceless 😄
I hate washing cars but love looking at clean ones 😱
Late to this one, I wholeheartedly agree. I tell people even though I'm trying to turn this into a business, at the end of the day, i don't think I'd consider myself a TRUE detailer. And I think that's pretty important if you're trying to profit off this businses lol.
Since I have your attention, I've been a fan of your work as your name has been infamous on multiple forums. Wanted your take on a few things... Sent you a PM!
Yeah, I decided to do another CQuartz coating because I got UK 3.0 + Gliss for 1/3 the cost of Miyabi + Zipang. I’ll probably use Overcoat once it looks like it needs a maintenance product. My previous experience with Reload was similar, but I figured it was because I only did 1 coat of CQuartz.
I have used reload as maintenance for cars with two coatings of cquartz, one coating, and even used it on a car with Gtechniq CSL. All of the surfaces lasted about the same from what my experience.
I'd wait on the Overcoat until when the Gliss gets 'tired' and isn't being 'all it can be' in your eyes. Gliss is a nice topcoat, more impressive to me than Gtechniq EXOV4 which I've found to be solid but not spectacular. Still, Gliss is a topcoat and not all that tough (CarPro cautions not to use Tar-X or similar on Gliss) so it will fade over time, far before the CQ does.
I did 2 identical vehicles in Winter 2019; one with CQ UK 3 (2 layers) + Gliss V2 (1 layer) and the other with 1 layer of Gtechniq CSL & 2 layers of EXOV4. I see these vehicles each day and in a limited maintenance situation, the Cquartz vehicle stays cleaner and looks better overall than the CSL/EXOV4 vehicle.
I'm a Kamikaze junkie (2 cars done w Miyabi/Zipang, 1 with PPF & Kami Film Surface Coat) so normally I'd say "Overcoat makes anything better" but in your case (CQ + Gliss) it'll kinda be redundant until the Gliss fades. When you're no longer happy with the water behavior down the road, that's when I'd pull out the Overcoat.
You really dont need a booster/topper/maint spray with Gliss IMO, it outperforms many toppers so why cover it up...enjoy it.
Just a how I see it. I've thrown Overcoat on top of a variety of coatings that were boring me w regards to water behavior and self-cleaning...stuff is otherworldly for me.
Funny story, your Autopia posts are what made me want to do a Zipang + Miyabi sandwich so bad. (I will find a car to do this on... someday)
Thanks for the in depth advice, I wasn’t sure if Overcoat would boost Gliss or not (I couldn’t find much info at all on Overcoat on CarPro products.
😄 Gliss is pretty entertaining in and of itself, impressive performance. I really like the UK + Gliss combo...really solid stuff and looks great.
First rain after I did CQ UK + Gliss: https://budgetplan1.files.wordpress.com/2019/05/20190329_15085560741949729188422084569434722243488392.jpg
kamikaze overcoat? if so just remember not to use too much, but overall overcoat to me is the best spray topper
Isn't gliss the overcoat for cquartz? So basically you want to double over coat?
More so for using as a maintenance product every few months. My understanding was even with Gliss you use Reload every 3-6 months as maintenance. (Not immediately after application)