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DoctorLoveMachine

[build help] Can't decide between 5700XT & 2070 Super, basically afraid of going to full AMD build!

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Hi guys,

I'm upgrading from an i5 4600k & 1060 6GB card

I've decided on an AMD 3600 processor & either 5700XT/2070 super

Basically, I've been a pc gamer from 2015 ( longer than that actually but never had a proper build, only shitty laptop) and I've only known intel and nvidia.

Been using an i5 for years with no issues , started out with a 980 and later upgraded to a 1060 , again no issues.

The past few months I got interested in higher refresh rate monitors, I eventually settled on an AOC 24g2u and currently I am hitting between 80-120fps on most games (mostly older than 2019/2020)

I want to upgrade to get even higher frames hence the situation.

Anyway, I got bitten by the upgrade bug and put together a ryzen 3600 build as I was blown away by how amazing the price to performance ratio a Ryzen CPU is compared to intel at the same price.

Then I found the same situation with 5700xt Vs 2070 super.

5700xt just matches it neck and neck mostly , but there's £170 price difference between the cards that are suitable for my SFF build.

It got me thinking, according to steam hardware survey 73% of users GPUs are Nvidia and 75% of CPUs are Intel.

Why is it that AMD have such a small market share?

Is there typically a downside to AMD products when they are currently beating intel and nvidia in price/performance?

Are bugs always an issue for AMD cards?

What am I missing out on from switching?

Basically I can get a 5700xt for £350 or a 2070 super for £520

£170 difference is crazy when all the benchmarks and YouTube videos I've watched show that they are very close in performance.

Sorry I don't know how to structure posts, my final point would be that I've seen so many people talk about bugs in the 5700xt and I've been an Nvidia user for years and an genuinely worried about changing to AMD.

Posted Jun 21, 2020, 8:10 PM UTC

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Harold235•

Go the way makes more financial sense. I went full amd and have no regrets ( I bought a pulse 5700xt for 325 USD shipped and not a single issue, haven't reinstalled win10 even. Just used DDU in safe mode.)

The issues are on both sides just check rtx cards reviews by date at Newegg and check out how many issues are posted.

Amd cards just have bad press that's all

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DoctorLoveMachineOP•

Thank you for this. I appreciate it.

Trying to wrap my head around why more people don't go AMD, I've spent hours researching and the 3600 + 5700xt combo is so much better value than an intel+Nvidia combo.

I suppose the correct answer is marketing and ramping up prices cause the competition hasn't stepped up to the plate?

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Harold235•

Well if going to amd route please go YouTube and check the Hardware unboxed round up video about the 5700xt to fit Wich model to get and Wich ones avoid like the plage

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DoctorLoveMachineOP•

Thank you for that.

Yes I have watched all his videos on the various models and their temps underload.

I've settled on the powercolor Red dragon card as it's very well reviewed and is one of the few that fits my small case.

Thanks !

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PIGLINE•

AMD has fixed nearly all issues with the 5700 XT. Only took them six months, but from a price to performance perspective I'd get the 5700 XT.

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trigorna•

I don't know why people say this, like Amd only had issues with the 5x00 series. Amd has had driver issues for decades. They come and go, even on well established models. Over the years I often found myself going back to prior bios versions and manually tweaking things for stability. With amd you should be prepared for this. If you like to tinker then Amd can actually be a bit more fun. If you want to set it and forget it then nvidia has always been the more stable base.

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PIGLINE•

I'm somewhat new to PC gaming, so the only cards I've had were two older Nvidia cards and a 5700 XT. I didntind tinkering with my card at all to get it to work smoothly, but I thought it was worth mentioning since I knew this card specifically had issues with drivers in the past.

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DoctorLoveMachineOP•

K absolutely agree with you, it's just that literally every pc gamer I know irl have intel/Nvidia combos.

I've only ever had intel/Nvidia and my last amd processor was an athlon dual core that ran too hot.

I am so sold on brands that I can't wrap my head around how good the 3600 + 5700xr combo is compared to the competition.

I suppose what I'm really trying to say is "what's the catch?"

Think I need to read a good book or article on how AMD are just not dominating the market .

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PIGLINE•

For a while the catch was the driver issues for AMD GPUs. I'd be very wary of buying a newly released card from them for that reason, but the 5700 XT is more than fine now. The only thing I could think that the 2070s would have over an AMD card is DLSS and ray tracing.

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DoctorLoveMachineOP•

Yeah I was intrigued about DLSS and then I realised it's currently supported by 4 games. 4 games that don't even register on my radar.

Yeah that does ring a bell, I remember it was a meme for a while how had their drivers are.

I'm surprised more people haven't jumped onto the amd wagon to be honest. Even cpu wise

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PIGLINE•

It's very much a developing technology, so I wouldn't base a purchase around it. I'm guessing as it matures AMD will come out with their own version too.

I don't think I've seen a build with a modern intel CPU for a hot minute if I'm honest. I have an i5 in my build, but that's because I've had it for years. I'll be switching too next time I upgrade my Mobo too :)

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PollingMonkey•

If it helps, I just had to make the same decision. My 5700xt arrived today, and it will be unlikely I face issues since almost all the driver issues are resolved. The 5700xt is miles cheaper, and very comparable in performance (even better than the 2070S on certain games, but that’s disputable). For me, it was a no brainer

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DoctorLoveMachineOP•

Absolutely dude. Shocked that there is £170 difference between them!

In future I will absolutely always consider the AMD alternatives!

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A-nom-nom-nom-aly•

Take a look at the main games you play, then see if they're optimised more for AMD or nVidia.

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Then look at your budget... the 5700XT and 2070s are pretty much on par with each other... one will out pace the other and vice versa depending on the game.

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If you play mostly games that favour nVidia cards and you've got the extra in your budget... go with the 2070s.

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If you're more concerned about the budget, go with the 5700XT as it's significantly cheaper for the same performance... same applies if the games you mostly play favour AMD.

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lastly... if all you care about is RTX on the handful of games that actually have it... then get the 2070 and turn it on... so you can play at 1080p :)

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DoctorLoveMachineOP•

Thank you for your response.

For me it's absolutely all about the budget.

I was amazed how well the 3600 CPU performs Vs Intel's offerings at that price.

Then I was pretty much settled on a 2070 super , as all I have known is Nvidia and never looked into AMD cards.

Then I seen the comparison videos and was blown away.

Only think I'm spooked by is driver issues. I've been playing on pretty much the same build for 5 years and cannot tell you one single issue I have had.

Can't justify the extra £170 for a card just cause I'm used to the brand.

Thanks for your advice

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A-nom-nom-nom-aly•

I've not had a single issue with my Sapphire 5700XT since I got in Sept last year... and that's been in 3 systems... although one of those was only for a couple of days as the motherboard had an issue with the USB controller and was replaced.

Likewise, anyone I've spoken to who's got one... not a single issue.

There were a tiny minority of issues with drivers.. that appeared to be down to some odd compatibility with some odd combination of hardware... and a few poorly designed 3rd party cards that caused poor thermals and throttling/crashes... then there was the section who never bothered to remove old drivers properly and some who were moving from one brand to another and didn't use DDU to make sure it was a clean install.

As soon as there was any hint of a problem... it was grabbed with both hands by some and shouted about across all platforms as 'proof' that ALL amd cards/drivers are bad... as if any of the competition haven't had problems like this... but fanbois gonna hate on anything that makes their purchase look like anything other than absolute best choice for the best value ever.

So yes... there were minor problems... those were fixed 6-7 months ago... but you still don't hear that... you just keep hearing the same tired old fanboi bullshit being repeated by people who don't even own them.

It's not helped by some youtube reviewers who kept repeating these things without actually offering their own proof... and have never bothered to revisit those claims and check to see if they were resolved.

If you go with a 5700XT, I can recommend the Sapphire Pulse/Nitro and the Power Color Red Devil... steer clear of the XFX Thicc II and the MSI as both have been reported to have very poor thermals. I won;t recommend ASUS (if they even do one) as their quality control has been problematic for several years now and if Gigabytes GPU's are the same quality as their motherboards... it's 50/50 as I've both good and bad experience.

Whatever you decide to do... good luck and I hope you end up happy with your choice.

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DoctorLoveMachineOP•

Hey , thank you so much for your detailed response!

Yeah I mean, I've been out of the loop completely with the past few years of GPUs, I've been happily playing away with an i5 4570 and a 1060.

It's only now im on the market and blown away by the value and performance of the 3600+5700xt combo.

I am pretty much sold on the 5700xt anyway, just wanted to fish around for some insight on the subreddit

Yeah im absolutely going for the powercolor Red dragon card. It's one of 2-3 cards that fit my small mATX case.

Interesting how initial driver issues are blown up and how people's minds cling onto "stay away from that card" when it's clearly still sold on the shelves and AMD aren't recalling any.

Thank you

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A-nom-nom-nom-aly•

Yeah I know what you mean... Until Jan 2019 I'd been rocking an AMD FX8350 on an old ASUS M5880 board with audio problems (only the spdif out worked). I started with a 4 core FX and had upgraded it as much as I could over the years whilst I wasn't working (was being a carer for my late dad).

So when I built a new system... I went nuts and spent close to £1500 in total. But had a B450, 2600X, 32GB DDR4 3200mhz, 250GB WD Black, NVME, 2x 1TB SSD's, EVGA G2 Gold PSU and a Corsair H114i AIO all in a Sharkoon case... very little in the way of RGB but did get a load of 140mm corsair fans to replace the built in ones. I re-used 2x 3TB HDD's, the Bluray drive and a few other bits and pieces such as my RX580 GPU... new mouse and keyboard and a new monitor to give me 3x 27" @1440p with one being 144hz (others are 75hz)... Later in the year I picked up the 5700XT.

But my old mediaserver was also about 8yrs old... and I'd used some of my old FX parts to upgrade that as far as I could too. It was also on Windows 7 still.

So I'd decided to rebuild that this year. When the lockdown happened... I decided to take my current gaming system and put some of that into the mediaserver and upgrade my gaming rig.... another £1000 later... Corsair Crystal 680 Case, Gigabyte X570 board, 3800X, 32GB corsair 3600mhz (with full on RGB), 500GB Sabrent PCI-E 4.0 NVME, extra rgb fans and loads of other little extras.

When I look back on the last 18 months... I've spent over £2500 on computer gear, across 2 systems. But I won't need to upgrade anything for a couple of years and even then it'll just be a GPU upgrade.

Fingers crossed that this current system will last me 5yrs or so... The only thing I'll need to do with my mediaserver would be add extra storage, and I've got a couple of free SATA ports for extra drives as needed... a couple of 8TB ones will last me a few more years (unless another drive fails).

Who knows what will happen next Jan... my current contract is up for renewal then... I'm considered essential by my employer... but there are no certainties any more... and I could easily lose more than 50% of my income which will put a stop to any chance of saving up and buying things... will only cover the essential bills.

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alexcrgg•

Im in the same situation, I know I dont want to game on 4k, Im not going to turn into an expert for overclocking, and wont play VR games.

I also changed from intel to amd processor and pretty much everything new Ram, amazing case mobo etc.

So far Im waiting for deals on the Nvidia 2070 super, I went ahead and researched for the best ones and placed on stock and maybe a deal. Ive seen the 5700 XT gpus are usually all in stock thought many stores unlike the Nvidia 2070 supers, they are a little harder to get. (the good ones)

Anyway I havent bought anything because I know I need a good monitor, I dont have cash for a monitor right now so I’ll just wait.

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qwerty1230099•

Bought a 5700xt 3 days ago and i can vouch that there is no driver issues thus far. I owned an rx580 for a year and it gave me really bad black screen crashes on games like apex csgo monhunt but 1 month ago, the latest driver updates kinda fix it by itself. I played those games again and not one time did it crash which was why i eventually pulled the trigger on the 5700xt since i knew that the drivers were fixed.

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Dchella•

Isn’t a 980 to a 1060 a downgrade

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DoctorLoveMachineOP•

No. An extra 2gb of VRAM and slightly better benchmarks.

I needed a new card anyway as I was downsizing my build to mini itx

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