2222 and City Park

I am fucking pissed right now. For years the residents around this area have called for increased road safety to prevent accidents like this. People crash at this intersection all the time, and it was only a matter of time until someones son doesn't return home for fathers day. Although I didn't witness the crash, I saw his motorcycle buddies crying around the crash site and it just pissed me the fuck off. Residents have tried to make our voices heard for years at city council meetings, but instead of fixes they have just given us concessions about how a new development wont bring as much traffic as other plans. People crash all the time and more people will die unless there is some action. Cedric Benson died during a motorcycle crash (and am not dismissing his death at all, this is another tragic accident) and there was road reworking on 2222 but I fear that unless its someone "important" or someone who has "fame" real change won't occur. Im sick and tired of Austin prioritizing the lives of human beings over economy or growth or fucking whatever, it doesn't matter. Human life has value and we should respect all who who possess it. Im so sad because I feel this is a preventable death.
Im just so sad. I thought Austin was better than this but the brutal reactions to the BLM protests and the inaction of city council to multiple protests from residents make me question where their heart actually is.

I don't know what to do anymore. Members of my area have shown up to council meetings to make their voices heard but apparently they have fallen on deaf ears. No change has been made and I don't know if any other changes will be made.

I thought Austin was better but if the last month has thought me anything its that Austin has serious work to do to ensure that human lives are above all else.
If there's anyone you can point me to to make a meeting with city council to look them in the eye and talk about their inaction or some source that can help me protest this than I would be grateful. Black, White, Hispanic, Asian, Poor, Rich, Homeless lives all fucking matter and I'm so sick of politicians pretending that there are other things above being a human.

Posted Jun 22, 2020, 2:19 AM UTC

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LolaStrm1970•

2222 was were we would go to test our first cars in high school. It was dangerous then and it’s dangerous now.

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houseoflove•

Oh yeah that and Lime Creek.

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Frocknroll•

True that. Last time we drove up there for the sake of nostalgia, it was full of racing motorcycles. After seeing that, I'm surprised we don't hear of a lot of bike fatalities out there.

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dr3•

Popular cycling route too. I’ve ridden it plenty of times on my motorbike and a few pedaling.

The most dangerous thing to a biker on that road are the lake rats, often times pulling a trailer, maybe drunk, over the double yellow on a blind turn.

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BlankSwitch•

How do cyclists manage to ride on that road without getting hit? It's so narrow and tons of blind turns. I imagine you time the turn with the sound of a vehicle approaching but still.

Also, there are police on there occasionally on the side to dissuade us car cruisers. Can't imagine they catch any bikes at all though.

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BoomhauerTX•

They straightened 2222 alot in the 80s, between 360 & 620, but it still has some nasty parts. Weekends were deadly for people getting drunk on Travis, pulling their boat back to town at night on 2222.

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capthmm•

My memories exactly! It was also interesting to see all the tire rubs and paint left behind on Mansfield dam.

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capthmm•

Old McNeil Rd. was a nice long straightaway where you could run wide open without any real fear of being caught.

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blasphembot•

It was actually a her. A friend of a friend. Very sad.

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capthmm•

If you think it's dangerous now, you should have driven it back in the '80s before it was straightened and widened; it's much more safe now. The problem with the road is driver inattention and high speed.

Not sure if Austin could do anything with it anyhow since (correct me if I'm wrong) 2222 is a state road.

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stemsandseeds•

Ironically, straightening and widening roads increases the speed at which you can drive them and can make them less safe. And if it’s not a freeway and has tons of driveways and intersections, it’s the most dangerous type of road we build. But for some reason Texas loves these roads. No medians, no controlled intersections, just nice and wide and fast.

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capthmm•

Texas can't put medians on most roads since it's economically unfeasible; it has the most total miles of road by far in the US and we haven't increased the gas tax in around 25 years. Wide and fast are cheap are relatively safe if everyone is paying attention and driving defensively.

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brolix•

Wide and fast are cheap are relatively safe if everyone is paying attention and driving defensively.

That’s kind of the original point being made though— the roads being so wide and flat induce people into driving stupidly and inattentively.

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capthmm•

2222 is anything but flat.

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iansmitchell•

Texas should implement a $1/gal gas tax to provide property tax relief, fund safer (especially non-road) infrastructure, and increase the viability of our cities.

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born-to-ill•

Yeah, a dollar a gallon isn’t going to happen anytime soon. It’s also a regressive tax, as much as people in Austin like to tout cycling and public transportation, those aren’t really viable options in, say, the RGV, El Paso, or Beaumont. Not unless you want to start every work day 4 hours early. This would hit the working poor the hardest, and it wouldn’t affect the millionaires in Westlake at all (not that the point is to be detrimental)

A VAT is probably the only way it will happen, income tax would make sense but, again, I don’t think it’s feasible even with liberals in the state.

If there was only an herb or something that people love to consume that currently illegal but has proven to be a cash cow in terms of tax revenues...

Maybe cutting all blue laws and increasing taxes on alcohol, tobacco and other vices (gambling, sex work) would help. Hell, we could even provide more social services for a change.

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capthmm•

No, just increase the gas tax with and find a way to implement a mileage tax (for commercial trucking that passes through the state) and use it to fund transportation projects.

Using it to fund other objectives such as property tax relief or other projects never works out well and becomes a catch all for everyone's pet projects or budget shortfalls and then you'll end up with the original recipient of the tax getting a diminished share of the pot.

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pifermeister•

How about you ask Pennsylvania how that's working out

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martman006•

How would you change that intersection? The only safety improvement I could think of is making that left turn from 2222 onto city park a green arrow only and not a yielded one, but it’s the same level of danger as any highway intersection in western travis county. The road is fine if people pay attention and don’t belligerently speed.

Either way, it won’t matter bc travis county is cancelling nearly all other road improvements to focus on i35 so we can build some more cookie cutters in Buda and round rock. All future 620 enhancement projects have been gutted for i35.

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iansmitchell•

I-35 should be getting torn out, not expanded.

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rubenmiranda•

Lots going on around here in the next years. Intersection's gonna get some increased traffic once they build out the apartments on Champions Tract 3. Plus there's been talk of Tract 1 across the street eventually opening up for apartments, which would convert it from a 3-way intersection to 4-way. Finally, I believe the county's still planning to install the diverging diamond at 2222/360, half a mile south of this intersection. Maybe they can toss a few bucks that way.

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martman006•

That will add traffic, but the improvements at 620/2222/river place under construction right now will add significantly more throughout there when completed meaning more traffic downstream eastbound as 2222/620/river place won’t be the main back up anymore.

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reliabletechbro•

What do you want the city to change?

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Aspiring_Apple•

We could at the VERY least add some street lights. That whole road is pitch black at night!

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martman006•

That’s done one purpose to maintain a dark-sky community.

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Aspiring_Apple•

That’s fine but it’s still dangerous!

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theFlyingCode•

Turning it into a traffic circle would probably be a good move

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Murderyoga•

Mandate seatbelts, airbags, rollcages.

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IrSpartacus•

Those things don’t prevent wrecks though

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Clinkmin•

What's the issue that needs to be fixed at the intersection?

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brolix•

It doesn’t even make sense to me. That’s not the fun or interesting part of that road at all.

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NederlandseTexan•

What a tragedy. What are your suggestions?

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mustardketchupmayo•

It's a state maintained road. You can't blame the city council on that one.

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Piecemealer•

You still can. They can cost share improvements with the state.

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Snoo_44016•

There was a sign for the longest time right there with the picture of the girl who died next to that intersection. People die on that road frequently. There should be a billboard with their faces, names and dates. Maybe that would remind people to slow down...but in that neighborhood people aren't very conscientious. We call it South Dallas.

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Frocknroll•

A lot of it is caused by the enormous and fast growth out there. That area wasn't designed to be a primary commuting route, but that's what it's become. You've got a high posted speed, people in a hurry to get to work or home, and the sunrises and sunsets in their eyes, and it's a recipe for disaster.

Personally, I'd like to see 2222 straightened and widened from 620 all the way down to Mopac and an overpass over 360, but all that would be hella expensive.

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iansmitchell•

People would just go faster if it was straighter and wider.

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Stinkybutt455•

I remember that! Really sad story, she had just gotten married, I think. Wasn't she on a motorcycle as well?

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Snoo_44016•

I think she was. It's really sad how many people have died out there.

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I've come so damn close to getting t-boned multiple times at that intersection, turning from City Park onto 2222 with a green light. Always by someone hauling serious ass and blowing the red. Pretty sure the last guy was doing at least 90-100.

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eastcoasternj•

Saw an accident here like 4 years ago where a beater suburban got T boned and all the wheels came off and were barreling down toward 360. That particular incident is what inspired me to get a dash cam.

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atxpositiveguy•

Who is your council rep over there? Call their office tomorrow and voice your concern. Ask for action to be taken.

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Frocknroll•

I'm not sure the city can do anything since 2222 is a state road. It might be more productive to meet with their state rep. They should have concrete data on how many accidents and fatalities have happened in that spot in recent years before they meet and realistic suggestions on how to improve it.

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LandHopper_23•

This. Calling reps directly have the most impact

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MIDNIGHTM0GWAI•

Just drive past and was curious what happened. It’s always been a dangerous road. Be safe out there y’all.

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Aspiring_Apple•

I drive up 2222 every day (in non-covid times) to get to and from home. That thing is a deathtrap when it's dark. I don't understand why there isn't AT LEAST better lighting in the area. It's extremely irresponsible.

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phlogistoni•

I'm not disagreeing with you, but there's some turns and intersections in Southeast Travis county that are statistically more deadly. (Thinking Elroy and 812 area)

If you're looking to be pissed at the city's/county's/state's discrepancies in road safety prioritization due to racial/socioeconomic/voter demographic factors...... unfortunately it gets worse.

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CheesyMoonlight•

That blind spot when turning right or left onto to 2222 from City Park, is nerve-wracking. The major issue is distracted drivers or drivers trying to beat the red light.

What would exponentially help is if the city or state installed some Dome Safety Mirrors to help drivers check that blind spot.

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iansmitchell•

A roundabout would be ideal.

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CheesyMoonlight•

A roundabout would be absolutely perfect.

However, a lot of driver’s in the U.S. are bewildered by them.

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iansmitchell•

Too bad! They'll have to learn.

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Building rumble strips might work as well.

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Choose_2b_Happy•

The City always waits for people to die or almost die before they take action on bad roads/intersections. You make a great case, and I hope you get heard. I'm in total supporting of improving the safety of 2222.

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