I know they allow us to summon to explain the game play. But in the story are we supposed to think as guda and mash are fighting just by them selves like in the Babylon anime?
So, is the anime different from the game?
And then there is salem, we bring servants but we never do that for the other chapters before lostbelt
Posted Jun 27, 2020, 5:50 AM UTC
It's hinted at in the various Singularities, but only really spelled out in the Shimosa chapter: other than any Servants Guda brings with them to a Singularity or any ally Servants they make contracts with in the Singularity, Guda summons Shadow Servants to fight, that stay only for battle and then disappear afterwards. Just like, you know, how the gameplay works in FGO lol.
The only reason why the Babylonia anime doesn't show this is because 1) it'd be annoying to animate as well as reduce the focus from the main Babylonia Servants) as well as 2) they explained in the anime that due to the time period and mana shenanigans, Guda can't summon any of their Servants while in the Singularity.
It's mentioned explicitly as early as America. Geronimo tells us to have our summoned Servants use their NP immediately when fighting Karna.
In Lostbelt 2, they make passing mention of Guda temporarily summoning Servants in fights.
I always see it like the first version of the disk duel from Y-G-O where they put the card and then throw it to summon a monster
Edit: This duel disk
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As others have said, yes, there are references throughout the game that we summon them. Here are some quotes to reinforce everyone's points:
In E Pluribus Unum, Geronimo gives advice before fighting Karna: "He's a Lancer. Summon Servants that are advantageous against him and unleash Noble Phantasms before he does. Got it?"
Similarly, in Babylonia, Ereshkigal gives similar advice before the fight with Quetzalcoatl: "The only things that could really harm her would have to be evil. That's why if you get into battle, use an Evil Servant to fight against her."
In Epic of Remnant, the summoning of Servants is actually a plot point. In Salem you bring an entire team of them, but it's in Shimousa were it comes to the front. At one point, the protagonist was sitting ducks because they couldn't summon any Servants. Then they can, then Kotaro appears and the summoning is discussed, particularly the differences between him and the other summonable Servants ("So that means he's a Servant too? And unlike the ones you summon during battles... he came here from Chaldea in your world to try and save you"). Interestingly, when Mushashi asks what's exactly the difference between Kotaro and the Servants the protagonist normally summons, one of the possible choices is "There shouldn't be any difference", implying that in normal conditions Guda may be able to keep the Servants around in the field, not just for short battles.
This impression is reinforced during the Lostbelts. In Anastasia, the summoning of >!Avicebron!< is a major plot point, and in the recent Götterdämmerung there are passing references to the mechanic. >!When Holmes laments not having Babbage to assist them, Da Vinci reminds him that "the Spirit Origin briefcase alone just isn't enough to summon him outside of short battles." Later, Da Vinci informs the protagonist that it's "not possible to summon Servants outside of battle" in that Lostbelt because of the lack of energy and leylines.!< The search for leylines was fundamental during the Singularities, so I'd expect the same rules to apply.
And of course, there's the Events, where Chaldea is full of Servants. In Garden of Sinners, Roman explains how come Servants are readily available even after being defeated in battle: "When a contract is bound to Chaldea... The defeated Spirit Origin doesn't return to the Throne of Heroes, but to Chaldea instead."
it’s also interesting to think that maybe Mash’s shield during Part 1 played the role in summoning servants in singularities, not just establishing a connection with Chaldea?
Mashu’s shield is ||Galahad’s Shield||, which can be considered a gathering place for heroes (IE round table), which is why it might help with Chaldea being able to summon servants.
guda and mash are fighting just by them selves like in the Babylon anime?
We can summon servant
For example >!in LB1 the successfuly summon Avicebron!<
Although to do that they need spesific requirement
Guda also able to summon shadow servant >!you'll know this if you read EoR manga!<
And then there is salem, we bring servants but we never do that for the other chapters before lostbelt
Wrong, we bring >!Astolfo and D'eon in Agartha!<
We also bring >!servant in shinjuku but they got repelled by the singularity!<
I will be honest, I skipped most of EoR
Me too, I have yet to finish any of the EoR...
During Part 1, the main story doesn't acknowledge Gudao summoning servants. So, the help he gets is from Mash and the servants he finds in each Singularity.
In Epic of Remnant, it's pretty much confirmed that you do summon servants and they are actually in Chaldea
And in Lostbelt, the summoning of servants becomes a major plot point in the story.
During Part 1, the main story doesn't acknowledge Gudao summoning servants. So, the help he gets is from Mash and the servants he finds in each Singularity.
Except, for example, Karna fight in America and Quetz fight in Babylonia, where Guda got advices about boss fights and what strategy/servants Guda should use.
My assumption is that there are two types of summoning: summoning from the throne, which is a long term contract where the servant can interact with the story, and summoning one of your long term contracts residing in Chaldea, which is as short term contract for battle.
I know they allow us to summon to explain the game play.
Wrong, its not to explain gameplay, its actual canon fact that Guda can summon shadow servants.
But in the story are we supposed to think as guda and mash are fighting just by them selves like in the Babylon anime?
No.
So, is the anime different from the game?
No. In Babylonia support from Chaldea, aka shadow servants, are unavailable, which is told to you right at the beginning.
And then there is salem, we bring servants but we never do that for the other chapters before lostbelt
Thats just not answered, evidently rayshifting was somehow upgraded after Part 1 to allow us to bring servants into singularities.
Salem is actually the simplest to answer, since this is just a teleportation rather than time travel.
We do summon servants in-game canonically. The game just doesn't show us taking servants along until Epic of Remnant.
The anime doesn't do this because a) that's a lot to animate, b) anime-onlies will be wondering when Guda even made a contract with them and we can't really expect them to remember that we're supposed to have multiple servant contracts, and c) it makes the threats in Babylonia more believable from outside of a game perspective.
Wrong, in Babylonia specifically Romani and Da Vinci tell us straight up that summoning shadows, aka help from Chaldea is impossible due to it being Age of Gods rayshift.
That's the lore reason for why they don't do that. I'm talking about from a company standpoint.
There is no reason whatsoever why they would have problem with finances, Cloverworks was given ridiculous amount of support and outdid themselves by a light year with this anime.
Thus your reasoning is dead wrong either way.
Wasn't the reason actually because the singularity is too far in the past?
Yes, too far in the past as in the Age of Gods.
I doubt the time diffrence is a reason at all, its the world's mana condition thats the problem, since it causes interference as seen with communication all the time.
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