Star Citizen evocati 3.10L
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pastebin.comAny month now.
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This build is a release candidate.
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That would be nice but I am not holding my breathe since they have said that it was close for 2 or 3 weeks now. ^^
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The Evo lacks a watermark apparently.
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I actually agree. Not a "great" candidate true, but one nontheless.
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I fucking hope not with that list of known issues.
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there will always be a long list of issues a decent number are probably on the live build.
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Yep. As we have seen in previous patches, they continue to work on those bugs DURING PTU, we had... three or four PTU versions before 3.9 went live. So, I don't see what the big problem is.
I will be happy to see this patch hit the PTU in a few days, then I can help work out some of the kinks via issue reporting and... hopefully we will see a better 3.11.0 release patch.
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Yea, looking over the list, there's an unfortunate number of issues.... However, a large percentage of them are issues that exist in the current live build.
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Not my first rodeo.
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I kinda want to see them split up development across the 4 releases in a year like this
qtr 1 - new features, qtr 2 - major bug fixing/polishing, q3 - new features, q4 - major bug fixing/polishing. That way two times a year people can get a major update with new features and content, while the other two times a year we get super stable polished refinements that make the game feel less like an alpha.
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No watermarks, its probs release candidate.
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Even Live will have issues. There was an interview a while.ago where one of the devs said that there is always a balance with PTU and live. The goal is to make them stable enough and acceptable. More than that would be a waste of time and resources.
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Yeah, I know. Just getting frustrated with nailed-down things becoming game breaking.
- Targeting another ship will cause the client to crash
Like... how?! How is that a thing this far along?! It scares me that things like this break all the time. I would be terrified to look under the hood and see what kind of jumbled mess their code is at this point.
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Ya i mean release to PTU, i assumed it went without saying
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any century now
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Legally landed ships may be impounded
Multi-Tool in Klescher Prison Commissary does not come with a OreBit mining attachment
If the player exits to menu/disconnects/crashes during the prison load screen transition their load-out will not be changed
Player may get stuck on a loading screen when leaving prison or respawning
Player may get stuck on a prison loading screen if sent back to prison a second time without clearing their crime stat
Were these bugs not already part of the 3.9 know issues ?
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They're what are known as acceptable bugs. They need to keep the slow train moving rather than fixing everything. Priorities and all that.
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Also woth some issues the system at fault may be worked on soon anyways so it's put off until then
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Acceptable bugs? Had to reset my account 3 times due to prison load bug, that's not acceptable that's game breaking AF, and so I stopped playing 3.9 altogether after just a couple of houers.
I would guess I'm not the only one who did this. So alot of missed bug reports for CIG there
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Acceptable as in it doesn't happen to a large enough portion of the players and/or many of those cases would be addressed in a future patch since not everyone crashes for the same reasons. Sucks that it happened to you, though.
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Fair enough, have an upvote
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That usually means it's on their radar to get fixed.
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Impounding is new in 3.10 but otherwise you'd have to look at evo notes for 3.9 /shrug
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I've had my legally landed ships impounded in 3.9.
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I don't know, I've had plenty of ships wrongfully impounded in 3.9.
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yup. That's a 3.9 bug. There's one pad specifically it happens 90% of the time at port olisar.
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cant wait to try out the new fixed stuff, feels really good as a vanguard owner
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I'm a vanguard owner as well, what's changed for us?
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fixed assist and velocity increases to our shit proprietary mounts
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Thank God. I really wish they would throw us 2 size three gimbals under the wings or something, because for how heavy and large we are, we don't have amazing firepower...
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same "heavy fighter" my urethra
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Ppl saying its late but even if this release live on 1st of August it means it took 3 months. 3.9 took a whole month of its period cycle. Which means this will take a month from 3.11 cycle.. ending with poor old 3.12 which gona be around a month or a month and a half all together
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Not according to Staggered Development. The team working on 3.10 is supposed to be separate from that working on 3.9, therefor 3.10 shouldn’t at all be effected by the delay of 3.9. Unless of course Staggered Development was complete BS....
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Hmm so that means the 3.11 is one month late due to 3.9.. and now 3.10 gona slow 1 month of 3.12.. so its 3.9 AND 3.10 fault for 3.11 and 3.12 slow down or basically they are all gona be late and 3.12 gona be just a bug fixing patch with 30 days work, 15 days evo and 5 days to live
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In the Grim Dark Future of Star Citizen, there is only bugs.
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That's if you're assuming 2 teams. Digital Extreme (Warframe) a much smaller studio has 4 teams staggered development... They keep pumping out features and reworks and overhauls every 3 months... Is it good? That's an argument for another time and place.
The only difference is that Warframe is adding content while Star citizen is adding features. So they can only be compared to a certain degree.
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Warframe dosnt add new features ?
If adding new clan base building, Planet surfaces, ship combat, eva combat, PVP arena, horde mode, and now they are adding in RPG dosnt count ? With the way DE is going they are going to add RTS, Card game, Pokemon battles, Dating mechanics next.
(half cringe laugh because its probably going to happen for reals)
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Maybe 3.11 is going to be late due to 3.9, but not all things in 3.9 were being focused on continually to the end. Teams that were doing work on elements of 3.9 that were finished earlier in the cycle, went straight to work on the 3.11 cards they had in line.
The issue seems to be with some back-end development, netcode and a few other fiddly bits, each major patch. When it comes to QOL, ships, tweaks/upgrades to existing features, they are doing a decent job with the staggered development. It seems like it is mostly the much deeper level nitty gritty bits that are having a bit more of a slow up.
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This right here. Staggered development does not mean a black and White separation. Obviously some cross-dev happens and some things need other etc.
They are still developing one game togheter.. People on this reddit some times..
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You can clearly see on every roadmap update that staggered development never worked.
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It clearly does or there would never be any progress on patches beyond the current patch.
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Of course, that was also the case before. It was never the case that the whole team was only working on features of the next patch. However, also as before, significant progress on the patch after starts when the current one hit the public PTU. There is simply no difference on progress behavior with staggered dev. At least nothing visible for us.
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Agreed. If you go back and read their FAQ on staggered development from nearly a year ago and then ask, "How has SC development benefited from this?", I'm not sure that anybody who is being honest with themselves could say that it has.
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Which it is. Mostly because they keep having to go back and make the patches semi playable 3 weeks after the patches drop.
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3.10L has been released to PTU https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/190048/thread/star-citizen-alpha-3-10-0-ptu-5639290-patch-notes
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Does it 30k even more rabidly than 3.9...?
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Another month late QOL patch - pretty frustrating. They can’t even use COVID as an excuse because they specifically stated that the transition to WFH wasn’t really that big of a hiccup for them.
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They already announced that the patch was going to drop in July. So this shouldn't surprise anyone.
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It doesn’t surprise me at all, but we can still be frustrated that everything by CIG is late.
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Understandable. You can also join Evocati to get access to patches a month or so before everyone else.
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It would be great to see a formal application process for that, but I understand how they do what they do.
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They have also been working for 6 months on this patch, and the majority of that was not affected by WFH at all, and patches before 3.10 were also always late but you cannot mention this around here, people don't like to hear that staggered development doesn't solve the problems that CIG said that it would solve.
Edit: Guys, please tell me what exact part of my comment is factually wrong?
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Even with this delay, it's a better system than they had been using. Either way, as someone who's currently playing a lot of Fallout 76, I'm glad they're trying to fix bugs before it goes live.
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it's a better system than they had been using
But that is my point: it really isn't any better. Patches are roughly the same amount of time delayed, and they have just the exact same issues as every other patch. Staggered development seemed to be a nice idea on paper but I don't think CIG has currently the resources to support this development model for the PU; it might yield some improvements when (hopefully) the majority of the company finishes up working on SQ42 and moves to working on the PU.
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Very likely they will be moving to SQ42 #2.
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And that's comparing a released game to an alpha
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To be fair to CIG, maybe they meant the other kind of staggered, as in "walk or move unsteadily, as if about to fall over." /s
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I'm curious about staggered development. What problems did they say it would resolve that it is not?
Also, what do you think the problem is?
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I'm curious about staggered development. What problems did they say it would resolve that it is not?
The idea behind staggered development for Star Citizen is that you have teams working on two patches at the same time. You have a team working on features for e.g. 3.10 but at the same time you also have a team working on 3.11. Once the team for 3.10 is done they move to work on 3.12 giving them around 6 months to complete their work. This should in theory lead to more polished features, and a more timely delivery. https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/3/thread/staggered-development-faq-1
Also, what do you think the problem is?
I think the issue is that CIG has pulled too many resources over to SQ42 and is no longer able to sustain the staggered development approach. If you think about it, you are basically cutting the amount of people in half that work on each patch. I suspect that there teams no longer truly follow this staggered approach and instead have fallen back to their old approach.
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Don't forget integration. After each patch, the next team has to merge their changes with the live code. That's not often trivial.
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I think the issue is that CIG has pulled too many resources over to SQ42 and is no longer able to sustain the staggered development approach. If you think about it, you are basically cutting the amount of people in half that work on each patch.
I agree with you on this. They switched to staggered development as they also moved a lot of resources over to SQ42. They may have thought it was a stop-gap to make up for the lesser amount of people working only PU and it probably is in that content can start polishing earlier or more smaller improvements, less big improvements.
I think you also see more content though. It may not be giant, game changing content like you had with Hurston, but mostly a lot of smaller systems are coming slowly online more and more, plus a lot more QoL improvements.
It feels like they've stopped the shift of folks to exclusive SQ42 content (ie, content that is needed for SQ42, but won't come to PU until after SQ42 release), and they're listening to our complaints and working to also rectify that with their flight and combat experience improvement groups.
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Burn this heretic you are 100% correct. But you will burn for it ok in the emperor's name
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The part that hurt their feelings.
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Don’t bother criticizing CIG here, you just get downvoted into oblivion no matter what facts or opinions you bring to the table.
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It really depends upon how you criticize CIG.
I have been upvoted for my critical posts, because they aren't based on pure speculation, more on certain wishes that I would prefer they focus a bit more on, rather than what is "appears" they are focusing on with the releases and info dumps that they are providing us.
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that's such a load of BS lol
It's like some people are selectively blind. Have you read this sub at all ?
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The new mobiglas app using the new building blocks tech looks fantastic!
Finally UI won't just be 50 shades of blue
Edit: Wave 1 is out!!
This is good news. Can’t wait until the rest of the MG looks like this.
OH MY GOD. Seriously you always see these shit-ass arm holograms in all of scifi. Like holy shit we need more than one color and opaque surfaces in order to see shit clearly. STOP WITH ALL THE HOLOGRAMS JESUS.
EXACTLY.
There's a reason you only see it in movies. It doesn't have to work. Holographic transparency was doomed to fail from the start.
it can be good they just need to fill in all the actual buttons
That's nice, but if they do one app per Patch, like with the visor rework, it will take a while...
They'll probably leave everything else alone, and just use the reworked stuff for new apps, until they've freed up the developers in the UI team.
It just makes the UI design less of a bottle neck, until they have everything they need working actually working.
where did they say they plan on doing one app per patch?
It seems like that's been their rate of progress so far. Though there's also the new targeting UI in this new patch as well so it's already proven wrong. There might be other minor UI changes coming in 3.10 as well.
They didn't, But they said that the rework of the visor would be patch by patch and yet in 3.10 it seems that nothing changes from 3.9 and 3/4 of the visor is still in flash.
So I would be surprised if the whole mobiglass is rework in one go
To be fair, they have done a ton of ui changes, just mostly on ships, and locations lately.
I agree with the prior comment, just needs time to finish catching up the backlog from everything.
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I’m going to go out on a limb here and guess that you haven’t read the patch notes.
New HUD on all ship. New turret UI on all ships. New app in Mobiglass New targeting UI. New mobiglass variants (although I’m still not sure what this is)
There’s been quite a bit of UI work for 3.10
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nice, feels like we have emerged out of the dark ages of UI development.
OMG. Finally. They've finally moved on from the previous holographic design. This is huge xD
the update I never knew I needed!
Ended up scrolling down on celebritys without make up, just for science, the last four caused me to double take, made my evening so thanks for adding that link of whatever it was a picture of, my journey down the rabbit hole put a smile on my face for once.