DeFi: a discussion on the rise of Decentralized financial services

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The last few months I’ve noticed a surge of DeFi usage and I’m trying to wrap my head around it’s usage. Flash loans, I can understand. People take out a loan by hedging collateral, and repay it without losing their initial collateral. It’s great since you get the fast cash you need (and you don’t lose the crypto you’re holding in case it moons).

But all the rage regarding curve bonding, how everyone is taking loans, staking it in other services to mint governance tokens, which then are used elsewhere to produce another token etc.

Is this healthy long term? It’s not as if someone is adding cash in their Akropolis account and they just accumulate interest from that. It feels like chaos when I try to think about why that happens and how it potentially helps the end user who wants a loan.

This is not an attack in anything. I feel dumb and I enjoy a good discussion (if the community is up for it).

Posted Jul 23, 2020, 1:19 PM UTC

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thrw2534122019•

I feel dumb

Don't. The first step to knowledge is understanding that you need more information. Kudos for reaching out humbly & with an open mind.

Broad strokes: DeFi is about annihilating the massive rent-seeking that legacy finance has had locked in for 50+ years.

Venture capital, hedge funds, private banks & central banks have gamed financial systems to extract massive profits while injecting near-existential risk into our societies (2008, 2001, 80s & 90s.) Benefits have been captured by small minorities while costs has been externalized to everybody: gigantic national debt, growing wealth inequality, run-away inflation, depreciation of most labor markets (simply put: same job now vs 10 years ago pays less.)

Specific example: private banks borrow from central banks at low interest rates & lend at higher rates, pocketing the difference. The incentive to maximize this process & bypass regulatory oversight led to out-of-control speculative lending & financialization of mortgage products, culminating w/ the 2008 implosion. A few select entities (Lehman Brothers, Washington Mutual) went bankrupt, but the vast majority of the global financial system was propped up at the expense of taxpayers.

Although in an an stage, DeFi provides an alternative to a deeply dysfunctional & arguably predatory financial systems, relying on blockchain code to:

#1 better aligns incentives with good behavior and

#2 enable voluntary contractual exchanges (loans, derivatives, services) between willing individuals.

Current functionality is limited & largely speculative--using existing crypto as collateral for leverage, more or less.

But as functionality improves (scaling, more secure smart contracts, solutions for complicated services like arbitration, insurance or on-blockchain representation of physical world wealth) more & more people will be able to by-pass the rent-seeking previously secured by legacy finance, and profits will be assigned to those that participate as good actors rather than predatory institutions.

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ChainstinkerOPBronze•

Amazing answer. Thanks for taking the time, and patience, to write this for me (and everyone else reading right now!).

To be honest DeFi and the prospect that 2 billion in this world, that have never had access to financial services, can finally get their loans or make a profit by lendin money safely and securely, is what makes blockchain technology and it’s application to finance so great.

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Always_QuestionPlatinum | QC: CC 63, ETH 60 | TraderSubs 27•

It is a natural evolution of usage on the Ethereum platform. Value accretion to protocols that disintermediate traditional middlemen. It is at the earliest stages, like the first DARPANET between a few universities. I wouldn't be surprised to see 100x growth in DeFi over the next 5 years.

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ChainstinkerOPBronze•

I’m sure the growth will be exponential after the first 10 billion, as we saw after the first 2 billions dollars were locked in the platform. There are plenty of articles on banks and how they are looking to leverage their economic power in this upcoming financial technology.

Regarding what you said though, this value that is credited to these specific platforms (such as compound, Aave, Synthetix and such), is essentially the liquidity that exists in the market? The tokens that are minted (like comp, YFI etc) are tokens that validate how much you, as a person, have contributed to the liquidity pool? And what benefit does what have by holding such token?

I’ve tried reading around but all these financial protocols have confused me to be honest. Thanks!

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Always_QuestionPlatinum | QC: CC 63, ETH 60 | TraderSubs 27•

Liquidity mining is incentivized by governance token distributions, which are assigned their own value by the market. Arguably, it is the fairest way to distribute a token to community stake holders. In the case of YFI, for example, there was no pre-mine, no founder ownership of tokens, no ICO, no big VCs scooping up early tokens at a pittance, no Sybil attacks--just plain old add-some-liquidity-to-a-DEX-pool-and-earn-some-governance-tokens, available to anyone in the world to participate in with an Internet connection. Also avoids security laws and would probably confound the SEC into obscurity. In my opinion, we have just witnessed the birth of a whole new paradigm of finance, something that was not possible pre-Ethereum.

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ChainstinkerOPBronze•

Is this so big of a deal? Hard to believe that the last few years something like this could happen but never did. I’m active in twitter and I kept seeing YFI and comp being talked about. Amazing stuff. Imagine what awaits us in the future!

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eastsideskiPlatinum | QC: CC 269, ETH 123 | r/Technology 79•

Flash loans, I can understand. People take out a loan by hedging collateral, and repay it without losing their initial collateral

By the way, this is two different things flash loans, and collateralized borrowing

Flash loans require zero collateral. This is possible since the loans are atomic, if they don't get repaid immediately, the entire transaction is voided. Flash loans are useful for arbitrage, rebalancing loans, as well as contract exploits

Collateralized loans are separate, they allow you to get "fast cash" without losing exposure to your collateral. Useful for leverage.

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