We're reaching levels of coping and 5-D chess that shouldn't even be possible
Posted Aug 22, 2020, 6:18 PM UTC
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Leftist theorists like Marx, Lenin, and Mao [...] recognize that in the absence of a viable worker's party, the best option is to support whichever party, bourgeois or not, most closely aligns with leftist beliefs.
Citation fucking needed, PLEASE somebody point me to when Lenin argued that communists should support right-wing bourgeois parties.
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What he actually said was to use electoralism to form socialist parties to spread the message. But for some reason liberals tend to think that means vote for a right wing party.
So basically Lenin said vote PSL not Biden lmao
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He did argue communists in parliament should form a coalition with Labor to expose the inadequacies of Liberalism, but that’s quite a stretch from the claim in question.
It’s amazing how Vaush’s piss-poor reading skills are already affecting The Discourse™️.
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Biden throwing commies in prison: “thanks for the vote, Jack”
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Did he just put Bernie Sanders on the same level as LENIN AND MARX?
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This is your brain on Vaush.
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Another gem:
The only power the Democratic party holds comes from their voter base. Voting for Biden doesn't mean approval of Biden. It is a defensive maneuver to prevent a second term of Trump. As soon as Biden is in office, leftists will have full rein to criticise his liberal policies and failures to uphold campaign promises. We will be repeated and persistent. This is the best avenue to demonstrate the failures of the bourgeois party to Democratic voters, and the need to legitimize further left-wing candidates. It also demonstrates to the Democratic party that to maintain power, which comes from the voter base, they need to adjust policy further left-wing. This will help us radicalize liberals, enable third party feasibility, and move the political institutions further to the left.
They're gonna tweet Biden into submission! BLUMPF IS FINISHED
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Biden: thanks for the vote Jack. Now I can ignore everything you say
Epic harm reductionists: what no i voted for you now you have to listen
Biden: ok now I will enact Medicare for all despite having zero intentions to do so before I was elected
Epic harm reductionists: we did it boys 😎
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We will be repeated and persistent.
Yeah just like during the Obama years right, "progressive" liberals talked this way running up to the 2008 election and then all vanished into thin air when he took office.
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this person was apparently born after 9/11
the kids are not alright
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Big yikes
They clearly have no idea what it means to be a political stakeholder with an actual seat at the table, I mean how much clearer could it be that the Biden/Harris ticket is an explicit message to the left that the left is going to get thrown to the wolves yet again lol
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bruh
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They have that Biden will be a disappointment right at least
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Marx and Lenin advocated that a REVOLUTIONARY COMMUNIST PARTY should take advantage of the bourgeoisie elections to spread communist propaganda, not to campaign for fucking imperialist neoliberal borderline fascists like Biden
Also I don't give a shit what Bernie says, he's not a "contemporary leftist", or a "leftist" at all...
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"Even where there is no prospect of achieving their election the workers must put up their own candidates to preserve their independence, to gauge their own strength and to bring their revolutionary position and party standpoint to public attention. They must not be led astray by the empty phrases of the democrats, who will maintain that the workers’ candidates will split the democratic party and offer the forces of reaction the chance of victory. All such talk means, in the final analysis, that the proletariat is to be swindled. The progress which the proletarian party will make by operating independently in this way is infinitely more important than the disadvantages resulting from the presence of a few reactionaries in the representative body." - Address of the Central Committee to the Communist League London, March 1850
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"Even where there is no prospect of achieving their election the workers must put up their own candidates to preserve their independence, to gauge their own strength and to bring their revolutionary position and party standpoint to public attention. They must not be led astray by the empty phrases of the democrats, who will maintain that the workers’ candidates will split the democratic party and offer the forces of reaction the chance of victory. All such talk means, in the final analysis, that the proletariat is to be swindled. The progress which the proletarian party will make by operating independently in this way is infinitely more important than the disadvantages resulting from the presence of a few reactionaries in the representative body." - Address of the Central Committee to the Communist League London, March 1850
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Well using his logic we should all vote trump because he is effectively destroying America. Which will radicalize people.
Like wtf his logic is so flawed I don't even know what to say.
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The narrative has now shifted from "he's better than Trump" to "catastrophic failure actually means you win!"
No, what will happen is Biden will destroy any credibility the Democrats have and ensure that Republicans have a slam dunk victory in 4 years when they run a competent fascist (e.g. Tucker Carlson).
If Democrat fuckups led to radicalization, we'd be living in a socialist utopia by now.
This whole thread is a fucking mess:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ShitLiberalsSay/comments/idorp3/lol/g2ie97i/
But we're the "accelerationists" because we just want people to recognize Biden and Harris for what they really are lol
I have no fucking idea how they managed to uno reverse card not wanting to vote in a staunch capitalist as an accelerationist position, while actively campaigning for said capitalist because it will “piss off the middle of the road progressives and drive them to leftism” somehow isn’t and is in fact revolutionary.
It's because they have intellectual or moral integrity and will say absolutely anything. "Accelerationism" is just a term they've appropriated recently to signify "the bad thing", i.e. concrete resistance to the DNC war machine.
Unfortunately, ”Democrat” is a Fancy Word For Capitalist and Centrist And So it a Pipe Dream to Think They Will Radicalize.