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cdbaker

Better Policing

Yesterday I watched a guy steal from the Circle K at Columbia station, then when he noticed I saw him, follow and threaten to assault me in broad daylight. One block from the police station.

This area is getting worse with COVID. What is the NWPD doing to address it? I have yet to ever see a single beat cop in this area to protect and serve the residents amidst its challenges. Is there a reason?

The area of trouble between Columbia and New West station is small to cover and needs a lot of help lately, so why doesn’t it get more attention?

Edit: I don’t know what I expect to come of this, I just needed to vent. It’s frustrating to watch this area do U turn as of recent. Our institutions are failing everyone on all sides of this.

Posted Aug 25, 2020, 2:48 AM UTC · edited

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People need to realize that the police have arrested a lot of these people 20-30 times.

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It's our justice system. Blame the people who advocate for lesser sentences because someone is a meth user.

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corsicanguppy•

Yeah.

Thing is, though, that's what the emerging studies are all pointing-to as a first step on the road to stable recovery: safe injection sites.

The issue, says my counsellor friend, is that the next steps don't get taken, as we have no way to safely remove the user from the environment that causes this recidivism . We stop there because our setup is as broken as Obama's healthcare reform when it couldn't get to Phase 0.2 .

So if you listen to the people who've studied this for decades, it's not the provision of drugs nor the light sentences that's allowing this cycle to perpetuate, but something right after it. And if our goal is healthy, productive tax-payers, the answer isn't stricter punishment as it provokes more costly problems, but something else. (And I'll admit, I don't care for the people themselves. I just want them on the other end of the burden<->provider spectrum than they are now.)

If you dive into the science behind the hokum-sounding recommendations, it's actually fascinating and surprising.

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jackfromsurrey•

Safe injection sites would incentivize more lowlifes to come to New West. I am 100% opposed to one in our city.

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Shaggy604•

I agree, to some extent. I am all for safe injection sites as long as they are followed up with some treatment plans. If you just have the sites with no “recovery” plan for after then you are just enabling. There has to be more options for them to get well, better structure and something that can give them hope for a better life.

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intrudingturtle•

I mean, factually and scientifically that is what works. Look at the Dutch model, or better yet the Portugese model. If you want to see how chucking people in jail looks, just go south of the border. It hardens criminals. Those guys are the dummies.

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Larry-Giles•

People like to quote the Portuguese model but don’t seem to know what the hell they did.

They AGGRESSIVELY targeted addicts and forced them into treatment. Also, drug possession is not legal in Portugal and penalties including banning people from specific parts of town were put in place.

It has absolutely been a success but it’s not the and fuzzy thing people seem to believe it is.

Lastly, the culture surrounding drugs in a nation like Portugal is completely different from here.

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intrudingturtle•

I'm actually quite familiar with dissuasion. I think that cultural excuse is used quite a bit. I think it's well worth a trial run.

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Activists read a headline without reading the guidelines of the strategy.

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It is a crime to openly do meth in Portugal and Netherlands.

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The Dutch model controls the supply and forces people into programs if they want use to that supply.

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It's not legal to openly do meth on the streets there like it is here. Our lax policy is not well thought out

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intrudingturtle•

Then they shouldn't have closed Riverview. This is a problem solved over generations. If you want to pay more money for these people to be jailed instead of treated to return as paying tax payers then be my guest. Also America is a wasteland.

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WhistlePastBegbie•

That’s a lot of ignorance and narcissism wrapped up in very few words.

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vancity_rider•

what did you witness him stealing?

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ConfidentGarbageHouse Sapper•

Probably food.

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Nairbod•

Policing isn’t the solution to this problem.

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sushishibe•

Every city and every country is having similar problems. It's just the sign of the times. I mean even if you decided to have officers patrol the streets you still have to deal with the legal shit show nowadays that these people often never get the help they need. Instead they get put back on the street.

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Dave-2344•

Lots of drug users in area. The police need to patrol more, not just after receiving complaints

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FQDN•

Cops on foot around town stopped being a thing when Cote took over. Now they only get out of their vehicles to give MVA tickets.

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ConfidentGarbageHouse Sapper•

Sounds like you're a bit sour over a speeding ticket.

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FQDN•

I haven't received a ticket in over a decade fyi, you're just an idiot.

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ConfidentGarbageHouse Sapper•

Oh you're just sour

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FQDN•

Yeah i've just admitted to being at least 26! You're continuing to show a lack of intelligence.

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deepspaceDowntown•

Last time I tried to start a conversation about the value-for-money we get from NWPD, lots of people were defending them as being super efficient, compassionate, available.

But you are absolutely right. In the 8 years I have lived downtown I have never seen a single beat cop near Columbia station. In fact, even transit police appear to be avoiding that station, but that is a beef for another day. However, when there is an incident uptown, you regularly see three of four police vehicles racing to the scene, sirens blazing.

While I agree with other posters that there is a lack of support from the province and the justice system, frequent intervention by the police or a police presence would surely reduce the problem somewhat, no? And maybe convince a few of the frequent perpetrators to move elsewhere.

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sudo-nymph•

this is a classic case of trying to hide the problem and appear useful when in reality these actions are doing nothing to solve the root causes at hand. Ever think that a prevention and systematic solution would be more effective than simply having 3 vehicles and 4-6 officer's wages wasted on collecting an incident report?

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deepspaceDowntown•

Actually, that is exactly what I have been advocating for a long time. Take the cost of those vehicles and the officers' wages and apply that to prevention and solving the root causes of the problem.

Unfortunately no government at any level is prepared to do that.

So, all I am suggesting is that, given the situation at hand, we at least get those officers out of Starbucks and onto the streets where they can do their bit to help protect citizens from random attacks.

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MD_BOOMSDAY•

The amount of litter that accumulates over the weekend gives the appearance that no one cares and supports the "broken window" theory from law enforcement.

Something needs to be done.

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ConfidentGarbageHouse Sapper•

Perhaps some more garbage cans would alleviate the litter problem.

This obviously didn't help.

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MD_BOOMSDAY•

Wow I didn't know they did that.

I think like most policies they meant well but this one has clearly failed.

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IsNormalBuddeh•

I think more police cars patrolling Columbia street would be helpful. I understand there are COVID-19 concerns with patrolling in person, but a police car would be just as effective IMO. I agree that area has gotten sketchy over the past six months. If you're an NWPD police officer reading this, thanks for keeping our community safe.

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OGdinosaurVictoria Hill•

And I get shit on for saying New West is going to shit lol

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