The End of Everything.

Hive

The Great Revelation, which the Emperor Calus received at the end of the universe, was described by the Emperor to his Royal Scribes. His description is indeed what came to pass, and is happening now, 118 years after the Emperor brought liberty to the Sol system.

First, a veil of darkness descended on all the worlds of this universe, such that the people of these worlds looked into the sky and saw only night. All worlds, no matter their natural or synthetic geographies or climate, grew cold. The people of these worlds, having been subjected to this strangeness and adversity, began to grow afraid and suspicious of one another. Many deaths occurred in this intervening time before the end.

Next, a great war broke out across all varieties of civilization, be they naturally war-minded or peaceful. This warring, which goes on even now, is due to a futile desire to postpone the end of things when no such deferment can possibly occur; as such, the civilizations of the Sol system do not partake, for they accept the coming end as shown to them by their beloved Emperor. Even so, these good creatures are not exempt from the miserable clawing of others, who thrash blindly against the inevitable end.

But, we know from the words of the Great Emperor, the suffering will end. Death will soon arrive to the universe, and claim all of it for Itself. This will be the end of everything: all living things and non-living things, all that is real or theoretical.

The last to see it, to see Death as It consumes everything in this world, will be the great Emperor himself.

This is the polished version of what Calus saw when he went outside his ship, and it really seems like this is talking about the Pyramids, but what if something more sinister is occurring under our feet and we don't even know about it?

The first very curious thing I want to point out is the fact that the Pyramids are never mentioned by Calus. He never brings up the fleet in any of his voicelines, he only refers to the Darkness. But never triangles, or pyramids, or "black fleet". He only describes the fact that all of these civilizations started warring with each other, not fighting a singular force. And he never describes WHY this End occurred, only that it DOES occur. We need more info, let's go back to when it originally happened to get a better picture.

Where did Calus get the vision? Interestingly, he had it in a space of Emptiness. This is really important to note because it's very specifically noted that there is no such thing as true emptiness, in Destiny and our reality. It is simply impossible, so what happened that caused this region of space?

The Leviathan journeys through a void in the galaxy, without stars or even dust to relieve its nothingness. The astronomers say that an ancient cataclysm blasted open an abscess in the cosmos here. I feel the absence of spirits like a pressure headache, as if everything inside me wants to come rushing out.

Now, the fact that even this Psion couldn't feel anything either is also important to note because the entry before this, he says,

The enemy is yet worse. All Psions live in a world of minds. I believe in the cup and all its spirits because I feel those spirits every day—the prints left by other minds on the things I touch and see. These Hive... have no spirit. Their souls are emaciated. Some horrible solvent has stripped them of everything but hate, cunning, and the will to survive. I think they worship death because it is the only salvation from their existence.

But there is nothing in this region of space! Absolutely nothing.

This scar in our galaxy was cut long before he was born.

And so, we reach the point where...SOMETHING happened to them and the Leviathan.

God answers god! The void in Calus's soul called out and THIS is what replied—the Leviathan's control system failed when it saw what awaits us—we are drifting into it!

Is this the edge of the universe? Space cannot have an end: it goes on forever. But a hole in forever would be a kind of edge... a flaw, a defect, a place outside place...

After many days of uninterrupted flight, the Leviathan experienced a violent malfunction. This Scribe prefers not to lean on metaphoric language when the accuracy of history is at stake, but in these unusual circumstances, the record may forgive a departure into the subjective: It was as if the ship had been plucked from the cosmos like a berry by some gargantuan hand, rolled between forefinger and thumb, squeezed and tested for ripeness, and then, having been found satisfactory, slung backward in an unknowable direction toward an unknowable maw.

We are buffeted by intermittent tremors, which are strong enough to dash even the steadiest guards against the walls. Shagac and several dozen others have been knocked unconscious. Zhozon, the Emperor's dearest confidante since his exile, complains of a mounting pressure in his skull; twelve others are bleeding from their ears. The Royal Beasts bay with incessant fury.

What the fuck? Crazy right? So, we move on to what Calus described right after he came back inside after experiencing the space outside.

"Outside the ship, the Emperor looked over the edge of the universe, and saw nothing. That is, it wasn't that he saw nothing unusual, but he saw Nothing: the absence of light, dark, life, death, the absence of anything, even of absence itself. And out of the Nothing, there came whispering in a dark language, which filled his head so loud that he forgot for a moment his own language, and suddenly the Nothingness dispersed to show Something, which was a fleet of foreign ships. He saw next the destruction of a great many worlds and creatures, including all his enemies, and himself, and he saw the rot and fragmentation of his own corpse and skeleton. And last, before he was released, the whispers grew louder and granted him the honor of spreading the news of the end."

Now, in Destiny, there is no such thing as true emptiness. What Calus saw, an end, is not something that is desired by either the Traveler nor the Darkness. Both the Gardener and the Winnower even specifically mention that they have no concept of what an ending, or Death, even is.

Aren't they beautiful? I asked, as the flowers opened and closed in patterns beyond the scope of entire universes to encode, all-devouring and perhaps everlasting. Not even we could know whether a pattern in the flowers would cycle forever, or someday halt.

The gardener is all in. They are playing for keeps. And they are wrong. Or so I argue: for, after all, the universe is undecidable. There is no destiny. We're all making this up as we go along. Neither the gardener nor I know for certain that we're eternally, universally right. But we can be nothing except what we are. You have a choice.

So what did Calus find in that region of space with absolutely nothing? It can't be the Pyramids, he was given an hallucination of the Pyramids, the Pyramids were not there. Calus entered a true vacuum, and experienced a hallucination of the end of everything, something that not even the Gardener and Winnower know about. But you're not convinced. FAIR ENOUGH. So let's look at this,

And out of the Nothing, there came whispering in a dark language, which filled his head so loud that he forgot for a moment his own language,

This dark language is something that shows up a HUGE amount in the lore. It's even been theorized in the lore that this is a real thing in the universe of Destiny, and look at what they use for reference to study it,

Both causal and paracausal laws of the universe might… share a common… language. Getting a sample of the Hive's… music… will help me… study it.

[j:01] We're going in, getting what Adonna wanted, and getting out. Do you copy?[j:02] …Hey. You listening?[g4:01] Eir… Ur… Xol… Yul… Eir… Ur… Xol… Yul…[j:03] What are you doing? Hey—[g4:02] EIR. UR. XOL. YUL. AKKA![j:04] Ahhh—

Watch this video and watch how his Ghost responds as soon as he says, "Akka,' it's fucking creepy. Now, Cryptarch Adonna is immensely important to Toland when he was trying to discover the meaning behind these words, so we can infer that Adonna was immensely close to discovering something important. So where do we see this language? We have to look for similarities to other characters experiences to get the whole truth, Probably the most famous I found is the similarities encountered by Rezyl Azzir who wrote down all of his understandings into the 7th Book of Sorrow,

He could hear her moving just beyond his sight as her laughter rose in pitch, cutting into Rezyl’s mind and soul like a tempered blade.

Rezyl flinched as the wicked woman began to speak in a tongue that resembled torture more than language.

The pain was searing, complete.

The demon approached the writhing hero.

As she spoke her violent words began to take shape, morphing from syllables of death to a known offering of haunted human languages.

The demon woman leaned in close... and whispered, intimately.

Rezyl’s ears bled as she spoke.

It was only later, and far too late, that the first whispers came and the bones revealed their true, jagged purpose.

Eris encountered it in the Hellmouth,

[em:01] What have I done?[b:01] No time! Run![chorus:01] Eir… Ur… Xol… Yul…[b:02] The song! Don't listen!

Mara also encountered a simliar experience when she first met the Ancients,

Mara lengthened her stride, taking the steps three at a time so that she could duck into a little-used transport gate. She emerged in a small coastal observatory—then nothing more than a grand dormitory—and found Kelda Wadj, the Allteacher, hovering four feet off the ground. Blood poured from her ears and nostrils. Her eyes saw nothing.

Most interestingly, this is seen more prominently with Malkanths experiment on her sister,

SING, O SISTER… OF DEATH AND ITS MANY GIFTS

From the first, there has been war.

Wars of the self. Wars of conquest. Wars of desperation. Wars of greed.

From war, death.

From death, an end.

From endings, beginnings.

One such is now sung in the key of pain—Azavath's truth, the all of her, torn free with a surgeon's grace.

Malkanth's ears bleed as her sister's unmaking reveals her being.

In the echoes of Azavath's screams, ancient histories reveal themselves…

The First Conductor was assassinated by one who sang an Aria of her own making. She, whose name has been stricken, had found notes hidden in the frequencies. Reversed and mirrored in pitch, she weaved them together and sang her beautiful abomination, until the Conductor wept and bled and screamed and fell.

Malkanth braces as the pain of her sister's screams threatens to turn her mind to liquid.

But she is strong.

And almost finished.

Azavath's being was tied intimately to her purpose—to learn the Song, perfect her notes, write her own Aria, and become death. That she held so tightly to legends of the Song's true power surprised Malkanth.

So what do I think? I think there is a power that both the Light and Dark draw upon for their power, and this power is connected to the Worm Gods and the Ahamkara. I think the Worm Gods and Ahamkara are antithetical to what the traveler and the Darkness represent, and they're taking advantage of this to twist us to their personal uses. I think that there's a power directing the Ahamkaras and the Worm Gods that we still don't know about, and it's a greater threat than what the Pyramids represent. I think whatever this being is tricked us into thinking that it is the Darkness.

BUT! It's just a theory, and I welcome any and all criticism.

Posted Aug 26, 2020, 10:35 PM UTC · edited

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MagnusTheGray:siva: ~SIVA.MEM.CL001•

Extremely interesting. The amount of connections and coincidences cannot be ignored. I was always confused when Calus never described Pyramid ships, so I wondered myself what exactly he saw. But yes, to have a whole new enemy come out of nowhere (sort of, since Bungie always foreshadows everything) could definitely be a Bungie move. I can’t wait to see how this plays out.

And yes, that’s fucking creepy with the Ghost. Also very sad. All those damn stories are

edit: grammar

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isighuhOP:hidden: The Hidden•

I was too, but I never really paid it much mind until time went on and I realized that a lot of characters have similar experiences. There are some I didn't even list in the post because I didn't want to make it too long, and they were each stretches in some way.

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LettuceDifferent5104:scholar: Lore Scholar•

I’ve given you an upvote because you are dangerously close to uncovering the truth of the No-Thing-ness.

Please if you have time read my post. I feel like your post is actually expounding in many of the points I have covered except from the point of view of Calus.

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buttermeatballs:crucible: Redjacks•

So you're saying there's something other than the Light and Darkness? Something even more sinister? Damn

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isighuhOP:hidden: The Hidden•

I believe so, all the signs point to it, but we'll have to wait till Beyond Light comes out to see if any lore can back up my claims even more.

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buttermeatballs:crucible: Redjacks•

That'd be a plot twist and a half. Maybe it's an upgraded version of the Vex where they finally learned how to simulate paracausal forces

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isighuhOP:hidden: The Hidden•

Hey, you're actually not too far away about what I think the Vex have been up to. There's an entire side to them we have yet to see, and it's going to be important as we get closer to the endgame.

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xMausi•

Calus: but he saw Nothing: the absence of light, dark, life, death, the absence of anything, even of absence itself.

Kuang Xuan: The most vital skill of a sati-certified commander is that inner nothingness, like the quantum vacuum—empty and yet saturated with possibility. (...) Lead me to sunyata, the emptiness that understands. (...) A black sphere—nothing could be simpler—and yet it is awesome, unspeakably complex, compactly infinite, full of as many things as it could possibly contain. (...) I must meditate in communion with the antenna. (...) It is magnificent. Majestic. Majestic. (...) There is no veil over our eyes. (...) When you have nothing you are capable of everything.

Could this be related?

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isighuhOP:hidden: The Hidden•

No, because Kuang Xuan most definitely met the Darkness. “Majestic, majestic,” is a reoccurring motif of the Darkness. The quantum vacuum is actually not a true vacuum. Quantum physics says even at the lowest state of energy, there is still something there. Calus encountered true emptiness, the true absence of matter and energy.

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cptenn94•

I think there is a power that both the Light and Dark draw upon for their power, and this power is connected to the Worm Gods and the Ahamkara

I would disagree. Worms and Ahamkara in the big scheme of things, are very minor. They are not big parts of the story.

If a "third" god/power exists it would likely have to do with the Tree of Silver wings in some manner.

In the Garden grows a tree of silver wings. The leaves are ruin, the bark disaster. Of the seeds we do not speak.

​

A tree of silver wings bloomed yielded fruit shed feathers bloomed again.

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Malleable and hungering. Speak not of what it becomes.
..........

There is a second Tree, obviously. It has grown, and from it, the Guardian has taken a Seed that we intend to use for study. With the Tree's parent felled in the Black Garden, this may be a rarely given opportunity. I am only now beginning to record its most lightly guarded secrets. It is fluid in nature—no, Asher, not physically. It acts as an engine of integration, incorporating that which it contacts into its structure. It feeds from paracausal energy. The Light. The Dark. They are vying for dominance within its every particle.

I wonder whether we are meant to enact a second unveiling; whether this is to be a peeling away of an existence nurtured within its bark. One in which we may play out the paths that are yet to come. There are many answers, but the question remains: By whom was it planted?

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The tree in the Garden with silver wings. The air around it is oppressive and inspires violence in those who even breathe a little in. Shards of the disastrous bark peel from it and litter the ground, and nothing grows in its shadow. It scintillates faintly at dusk. It has achieved its entelechy with every body falling, every civilization laid to waste, every leaf forged into instruments of ruin.

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"No," the gardener said, "I am the growth and preservation of complexity. I will make myself into a law in the game."

And thus we two became parts of the game, and the laws of the game became nomic and open to change by our influence. And I had only one purpose and one principle in the game. And I could do nothing but continue to enact that purpose, because it was all that I was and ever would be.

I looked at the gardener.

I looked at my hands.

I discovered the first knife.

Notice how the Winnower found the first knife. It did not create it. It is almost like it was given. And we have consistently horrible language used to describe the Tree. Given it feeds on both light and dark, it is not inconcievable that it might use them both for some purpose.

There is far to little to make a serious theory, but if you are looking for a 3rd entity, this is the place to look, not ahamkara or worms.

As for the rest of your theory, I think character limit will kick in soon so I will be brief.

Calus clearly encountered the Darkness/Pyramid fleet. The term "Maw" is consistently used throughout lore with the Darkness, in the same way gravitational waves, hallucinations, nothing, whispering are.

Outside the ship, the Emperor looked over the edge of the universe, and saw nothing. That is, it wasn't that he saw nothing unusual, but he saw Nothing: the absence of light, dark, life, death, the absence of anything, even of absence itself. And out of the Nothing, there came whispering in a dark language, which filled his head so loud that he forgot for a moment his own language, and suddenly the Nothingness dispersed to show Something, which was a fleet of foreign ships**.** He saw next the destruction of a great many worlds and creatures, including all his enemies, and himself, and he saw the rot and fragmentation of his own corpse and skeleton. And last, before he was released, the whispers grew louder and granted him the honor of spreading the news of the end.

Calus has consistently spoken of things about and in terms of the darkness. While he doesnt call it by name , it is very clear contextually that it is what he refers to, the darkness/pyramid fleet. In the same way it was with Oryx and the deep. And even his "Shadows" are modeled after the Darkness and its philosophy, consisting of the strongest of each race.

Stick to the Light, little Light. It's what you're good at.

True darkness lies at the black edge. Where I was reborn.

It's coming.

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Because I believed I could control the Hive through a Shadow surrogate. The Hive are not true darkness, not what I saw at the black edge. But they would provide an army just the same.

Their texts claim destruction is their purpose, so why do they devour and feed their hunger and persist? What I saw at the black edge was beautiful. And it was not the Hive.

They are doomsday pretenders.

You and I will indoctrinate them, so that when the end comes, they will meet it as gladly as we do. They will cease to be hypocrites. They will cease to be.

He sat with men who went by the name "Dredgen" in a ritual at least one man had completed before.

Together, they heard whispers. They heard voices. A thousand. Maybe more.

He had always thought they had picked their name for themselves.

But they hadn't. The whispers had given it to them.

He would have found out either way, sooner or later.

Because in another lifetime, he would hear the Cabal Emperor describe his demigods with the same word.

Shadows.

Of Yor.

Of Calus.

Of nothing, as far as he was concerned.

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isighuhOP:hidden: The Hidden•

The Worms and Ahamkara are NOT minor in the grand scheme of things, they are integral parts to the overarching narrative of Destiny. The Worm Gods are directly related to this dark language, an they're the ones the Krill made a pact with to become the Hive. Ahamkara were the focus of the Great Hunt, the Nine used them for mysterious purposes, Eris made a wise to one while trapped in the Hellmouth, and Riven. To say they are minor is disingenuous.

The Tree is important, but only because we don't know what the Tree is even supposed to do nor do we know who was the one who planted the seed for it (MAYBE OSIRIS?)

You absolutely bring up something really important I didn't even think about! The fact that the Winnower was given the First Knife, instead of him creating it! Will have to absorb and think about this information.

Well, that's the thing we have no idea how the Light and Dark take form. We know that the Traveler is merely a catalyst for the Light, then it stands to reason that the Pyramids are the same. I'm saying there is information out there that paints the Darkness as a necessary philosophy and as a fundamental part of the universe. The Darkness has never mentioned or supported the idea of true emptiness or an end to everything. But the force Calus encountered does. There's a clear difference in philosophy, because the Darkness does NOT want an end to all life in the universe, only the life that does not have the will to exist.

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BlaireBlaire•

So he did actually seen a vision of "a fleet of foreign ships" emerge from the darkness and destruction that follows. Plus, his description of void and emptiness in space sounds incredibly similar to what crew of future Awoken ship experienced during the Collapse. Nah, it is the Darkness he's talking about for sure.

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isighuhOP:hidden: The Hidden•

We don't even know what hit us during the Collapse. No one has ever mentioned the Pyramid ships in any of the primary sources who experienced the Collapse. The colony on Titan didn't see them, Black Armory didn't mention them, the Speakers didn't mention them, Arthur Voronin didn't. There is something we're missing about what happened during the Collapse. But you are right that Yang Liwei and Calus experienced similar things, but no one on Yang Liwei ever mentioned the hallucinations like Calus, nor did Mara who went outside in the dark.

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BlaireBlaire•

We've seen pyramid ships closing in on the Traveler in a least two cutscenes describing the Collapse. It's a safe bet Pyramids were here, they just can't be detected or scanned by available technology. All who have seen them up close probably didn't survive to tell the tale. Plus, Toland strongly implied that Pyramid ship on the moon crash landed there during the Collapse. As for why crew of Yang Liwei didn't experience visions? Darkness just didn't communicated with them like it did with Calus. Why Calus was worthy i don't know, perhaps the Deep was impressed that he stumble on its territory...

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isighuhOP:hidden: The Hidden•

I mean, in a metaphorical sense, yeah. But there’s never been concrete evidence that the Pyramids caused the Collapse. For all we know, there could’ve been other actors involved. Uhm, if we couldn’t track them, then Rasputin wouldn’t have been able to show their progress on the Seraph Bunker wall as they approached the solar system. Toland implied that, but he also implied that it was a guess, because even he doesn’t truly know. Well, they did feel something if that helps.

Alice Li has the distinct sense that something ancient and malevolent is operating upon them: a trillion-fingered hand reaching in to caress the very atoms of their being, setting protons a-spin, strumming nerves like guitar strings. A tongue with ten billion slithering forks tasting the surface of their brains. The sense of imminent doom crescendos. She knows, absolutely and utterly, that what is about to happen to her and to her crew is far worse than death. The darkness knows them now. The thing that has come to kill Humanity has their taste.

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BlaireBlaire•

Ok, we don't know what exactly occur in the Collapse, but hints and circumstantial evidence of Pyramids presence is overwhelming. I mean, do you even have any reason to doubt that? We know for sure that the Darkness caused the Collapse and Pyramids are directly related to it (perhaps even being THE Darkness itself). Like, here just one of many examples:

"The Guardian: Eris Morn. What is that Pyramid?"

"Eris Morn: You've heard the stories. Of the Traveler's sacrifice. Of Darkness descending upon humanity. Before us lies a dark remnant of their existence. Was it struck down by the Traveler? Left here on purpose? The truth is ours to discover."

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xMausi•

Hm.... I just thought.

[g4:01] Eir… Ur… Xol… Yul… Eir… Ur… Xol… Yul…

I'm on the moon, it made of cheese...

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BastardOfTheNorth89:student: Lore Student•

The tune is apparently connected to Savathun.

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Chieroscuro•

When it grows cold this fall, as more & more of our worlds fall under the shadows of the pyramids, Calus will be right about one thing. The Fimbulwinter is upon us.

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JohnnyMerksAlot:savathun: Savathûn’s Marionette•

There’s also this that mentions the chant emitting from a blight

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SapphireSammi•

I’m unsure how the Light would draw power from something that is clearly evil and kills living creatures through language alone.

I like the theory but how is the Light related outside of being paracausal?

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BapplesPerhaps:cabal: Whether we wanted it or not...•

Well....shit.

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