RYD SITDOWN TALK ABOUT RACISM with RX, GEECHI GOTTI & PASS

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Posted Aug 30, 2020, 7:18 PM UTC

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Djcatoose•

I had my own post for this, but the mods deleted it and said to post in an existing Avocado thread. I disagree with the decision, as there was a lot of good discussion, but I'll repost below.

First off, I'm a very white person, and I am not in a position to say whether Avocado should be forgiven or canceled, or whatever. I watched the 2nd half of his video with Rx and Geechi today. I thought some of it was good, some of it was bad. During the Live, Rx said that she had a lot of respect for Farrakhan, and took a lot from his teachings, although she does not support everything he says.

I had a lot of respect for Rx due to how she conducted herself during the whole back and forth up until that. They were having a conversation about Avocado being canceled for laughing at a racist joke, and how he acted in the room. I am very aware that battle rap, and hip-hop in general is a black culture, and that I'm a guest in it. What I don't like, and think is a major problem, is that other people that are minorities in that culture are discriminated against and it gets brushed off.

I'm a Jewish man. Farrakhan has IN PUBLIC called for the extermination of myself and my entire race. He has called my people termites. He has called us bloodsuckers. He has even said that Jewish people were actually the ones behind the Holocaust. He has also victim-blamed us, saying the Nazi's had no choice but to exterminate the Jews.

I don't want to play the "who is more oppressed" game. I'm aware that it is much easier for me as a white Jewish man to live in America than it is for a black man or woman. I also remember swastika's being painted on my parents garage when I was 7. I remember people making jokes about ashtrays and ovens, when my mothers parents were the only ones out of her family to flee Germany before the camps. I had dozens of family members die in the Holocaust. I remember having to pretend jokes like that weren't such a big deal, because otherwise I thought I would have been ostracized. And lastly, I remember waking up from being passed out at a college party years ago with swastikas drawn all over my face, and when I bugged out about it, I got stomped out. And there are still less Jews in the world today than there were before the Holocaust.

I have no say as a white man as to if Avocado belongs in this culture or not. I think conversations like the one that happened on Live today are really important, and I enjoyed a lot of the discussion. But we are having this conversation about Avocado, but only calling John John the Don a weirdo for being a Holocaust denier. Ice Cube told somebody who called out Farrakhan on twitter to "watch his mouth." Nick Cannon was defended by legions of fans, and people calling for his show to come back, when he said "Jews are responsible for the majority of wickedness that goes on accross the globe."

I do believe that silence is violence. My significant other is a black woman, and we have been on the marches. I've been loud, and I've donated to the ACLU and NAACP. If any white person, or any Jewish person, that I was around was talking down about another minority group, I'm not standing for that shit. Never have, never will. I'm a guest in this culture, but those in it know the pain of people not understanding your pain. Again, I am not saying that I have it as bad, or even close to as bad, as POC in America. For the most part, I come from a place of privilege. I will continue to stand up for black and brown people in America, because what is happening in our country is disgusting and embarrassing. I just wish they would stand up for me as well.

Sorry for the rant. I really love the culture though, and I wanted to say my piece, and hopefully make some people think. Very little had anything to do with battle rap, but watching the video today triggered this stream of thought. If nothing else, it was cathartic.

In conclusion, fuck Farrakhan.

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andywins•

Oh damn, that’s weird. We were having a totally separate and engaging convo lol

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Djcatoose•

I dont think it's weird. It was explained to me that this isnt a political sub. Personally, I think that is a bullshit excuse. It was a civil conversation, with good viewpoints. There was no good reason for it being deleted, and the people in this sub were clearly interested in the discussion. Personally, I think it is awful moderating, especially because of what is going on in this country now. Not to mention the issues with racism in this sub in particular. It's not weird, its bullshit.

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andywins•

What?

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dadbot_2•

Hi a very white person, and I am not in a position to say whether Avocado should be forgiven or canceled, or whatever, I'm Dad👨

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TigreFromUpstairs•

Lol. It's a bot, you guys

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smh_122•

There's a lot of questions to be asked and answered... But the biggest disclaimer should be that the video wasn't just posted or mysteriously leaked a few days ago by some hidden camera. It was posted publicly 5 years ago on a battle rap YouTube channel

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OfMichaelAndMen•

On a purely battle rap notion, Geechi slipped the Cal vs Verb in there

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Third_Eye_Thumper•

D d

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Slimbaby0009•

KARMA FOR AVO TRYING TO BAN JEFFERY FROM THE CULTURE AVO IS A CLOWN BITCH

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xela_sj•

karma for trying to greedily be at the helm of all thing battle rap. caffeine got shooters in the sub

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dcloisN85•

When I saw his video about the Caffeine situation before all this hit, I said to myself, be careful what you say Kyle (paraphrasing but something along lines of I'm probably the best), the internet is a big and long remembering place... Then this happened.

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HigherPrimape•

feel like it goes without saying that having your black friends defend you is a bad look on paper

not even going into the content as im sure geechi has some decent insights but

come on man use your head. don't rightfully get called a racist and have the two black staple figures of the channel come up and have a "dialogue"

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applewhiskeys•

You should have left this without saying it. God damn what a bad take

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HigherPrimape•

i have no doubt the white people who have developed a parasocial relationship with avo and Co of this sub are not fans

but really idc what they think.

there are ways to go about apologizing. having your black friends do it while you third wheel IS NOT it.

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applewhiskeys•

I don’t give a fuck about Avo. Saying he shouldn’t be talking about it with his black friends is fucking retarded.

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HigherPrimape•

if that's what you think was said here you are fucking stupid and please don't reply

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NeoVeciJPEG•

What do you think is the correct way to apologise?

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ambitiontowin56•

I don’t think that’s what’s going on here man. He’s been nothing but apologetic since this came out, and let’s be real, avo ain’t “making” these grown men do anything lol.

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olgabe•

yeah he should've called Diz and Dumbfoundead /s rofl

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PrashnaChinha•

call Diz and now you're banned for eternity.

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HigherPrimape•

or just himself

it might be the whitest thing possible to get called a racist, with some damning evidence, and proceed to have your black friends defend you instead of just being graceful and bowing out.

like, what? maybe to this subreddit that makes sense but this is also the place where avo's buddies hang out and considering the footage we have of them, makes sense why they don't think this is a big deal.

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olgabe•

I'm not even sure if you're addressing me or not lol

He did do it himself right here

And i feel like i really have to point this out to you. He didn't make them do anything. They are in that room, because they wanted to be in that room. And i'm barely watching any of these videos, but the little i have seen, it seems pretty clear that none of them are strictly defending him. They're calling him out as far as i can tell. But you go ahead and watch all of them full length and give me a recap

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past_futureNFS•

Not sure why your getting so much hate. Even bdot said he didnt to do a sitdown for this exact reason. He didn't want to be that black dude defending his white friend. So your absolutely right

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andywins•

B Dot makes a very good point that it’s not his responsibility to give Avo the platform or the energy to learn what he did was wrong or to excuse him. At the same time if Geechi, Pass, and RX want to then they have every right to do that, especially if they want to get questions answered for the people. Not one of them was defending avocados actions or telling people it’s time to forgive him. Geechi was very strongly opinionated that he forgives Avo but he made it clear that it’s not the only way to feel and everybody has the right to feel that way. I don’t think this was a bad look at all, especially because avocado wasn’t pushing the dialogue and instead he was listening to it for the most part

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tehcraz•

B-dot said he wanted to be on the podcast Avo did with Geechi though but he couldn't make it. Seems like there are mixed messages.

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past_futureNFS•

Thats not what he said at all. Please watch

https://youtu.be/u3pIGtxWHLI

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tehcraz•

I'll have to take a look when I can really sit down but I was going off of what Geechi said along with B-dot providing questions. Both were recorded same day though so kinda weird.

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