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Pyxzure

Exporting in large volume

Hello,

A little background: a friend of mine in my home country is in need of some niche product from Japan for some construction project. They could probably find a reseller back in the country, but from my research there are at least about 3 middle man company in the chain, so they figured why don't I export them and keep the commission.

The problem: I'm no expert in tax, laws and stuff, but the cost of those alone (not including tax, shipping, etc.) is over 1M JPY and there might not be a problem if I can pay these with my saving and take payment back in local currency (might be due tax too, but I'm less concerned about that). But since I don't have that spare money I'll need to have them send me the money, which if I understand correctly, would need to be reported and taxed as if this were my income. In order to have that deducted as expense I'd need to file a 開業届 to establish some kind of personal business status. I don't mind paying tax on the profit part, by the way.

The problem #2: Am I even legally able to do that? That is effectively the same as establishing a business, correct? I'm on HSP 1号(ロ) status if that is of any use.

Legally I don't think I can obtain said license with my current status, but did I had to do so in the first place? How are people normally exporting large sum of goods anyway? Any advice would be appreciated, thanks!

Edit: Thanks for all the comments! Would probably reconsider the feasibility of this a bit...

Posted Sep 2, 2020, 9:14 AM UTC · edited

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p33k4y•

But since I don't have that spare money I'll need to have them send me the money,

Sounds like a bad idea, especially if this is a "one off" and your friend isn't going to buy regularly.

What you need to consider is not just the upside (profit) but also... what if things go wrong? (And things go wrong all the time when buying/selling goods internationally.) I.e., the product gets damaged during shipment and needs immediate replacement. Customs delays. Ship catches on fire. Labor unrest at the port. Truckers decide to strike. Etc.

Are you able and willing to handle all that? Especially in construction, often it's super important that supplies arrive at the job site at a certain date (not early and not late) -- or else the whole construction stops (costing $$$). Can you guarantee that?

Now, if your friend will regularly buy in quantity and/or if you can find other clients, then it might be worth opening a proper business to handle this.

Even so, there might be significant restrictions... such as:

  • Many companies restrict who may export/import their products. If you export the product to your home country, outside of the established dealer network, that product's warranty may be void. This is called "parallel import".
  • Your home country might require a license to sell that product in the country
  • There might be laws/regulations in your home country regarding markings, packaging, instructions, certifications, etc., that would not be met with the standard Japanese version of the product.
  • The product may require after-sales support. Can you provide this?

Anyway, I suggest doing a proper business case + research and not try to make a "quick buck" out of this.

Otherwise, I suggest finding an existing dealer your friend can order from directly. Maybe you can get a "finders fee".

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acme_mail_order•

How are people normally exporting large sum of goods anyway?

Containers on big-ass ships. You can book full and half containers through the usual delivery companies like Yamato. They will also do partial-container loads in some cases (usually your stuff fits on a standard pallet). Costs more than a regular freight company, but unless you are completely fluent in Japanese export lingo you don't have a chance there.

Payment is best if you stay out of it. Arrange the purchase, then have construction-buddy go to his bank and make a wire transfer direct to the vendor. This is pretty much exactly what the international wire transfer network is for.

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bloggie2•

This is the correct answer, especially the payment part. Arrange the purchase and have your pal pay for it directly via SWIFT. This way it doesn't become your problem.

You can worry about remuneration from your pal for doing the busywork using some other method (= he buys you beer or something).

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Karlbert86•

“= he buys you beer or something”

OR they gift you up to no more than ¥1.1million per tax year* ;)

*would have to come from your friend’s individual account and not company account.

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ariichiban•

why don't I export them and keep the commission.

Because

I'm no expert in tax, laws and stuff, but the cost of those alone

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buckwurst•

One of the reasons that the product costs more in your home company is that those 3 middle men actually do know what they're doing when it comes to shipping, insurance, customs, taxes, etc...

It would be a lot to learn and you'd be taking considerable risk for a one time transaction.

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ben_howler•

Ward offices of bigger cities usually have a service, where you can ask questions about the incorporation of a business for free (30 minutes or so). You could use that, once you run out of Google-power. And AFAIK, you need an import/export license, if you want to do this commercially; that's another few hoops to jump through.

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Bttc•

If you're on HSP, shouldn't you be able to start a business? Isn't that the point?

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ariichiban•

That's not the point

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mochi_crocodile•

Why wouldn't you say what it is you want to ship? Why not find a nice seller in Japan that can do the international shipping?

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WesTokyo•

just hire a freight consolidator. no reason for you to learn all this now.

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japanese102•

After I do the research for you, would you like me to run the business for you as well?

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