Endgame Help

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I'm sitting at level 80 on my main with a few alts at lower levels. I'm feeling a bit lost. I'm doing maps (Map tab sale when?!) and some of the other activities but I still feel lost overall. Loot management is becoming a nightmare and I need to buy premium tabs soon but that will just open another can of worms with trade. I've started looking at builds but then I lack certain items which makes things even more complicated. I love Diablo 3 but I'm done with it and I really enjoy PoE but every time I come back I get hit by this wall.

Basically I'm asking for some advice or links to videos/guides. I've had a look but it all seems to be out of date. This must get asked daily but between Reddits crap search function and stuff being out of date it's been a struggle.

Edit: I just want to thank everyone here. I was expecting a bunch of replies with "git gud" and maybe one helpful one.

Posted Sep 15, 2020, 10:56 AM UTC · edited

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N4k3dM1k3•

stash tabs sale is usually after a week or so of the new league, keep an eye out for that. Currency tab is the best one, map tab is prob next, then things fragment / div etc are very useful. If you havent done so, the first blood deal is quite good

Loot management is a game in itself, try to not hoard unless you know the items is good. Pricing items to sell is very hard, and it can be very difficult to 'teach' as the situation is always fluid. The best way to learn what is good is to play a popular builds, then you learn what stats those builds want. There are some third party tools for listing items for sale without premuim tabs. Premium tabs are easier (but cost), but picking prices is hard. You can try selling currency/fragment stuff thats much easier to price, as well as some unique items- https://poe.ninja/ is your friend here. This, along with currency you pick up should let you buy some good items from the trade site. Rare items are harder to price, but you will learn that by buying them. I recommend that you buy some good, cheap items (eg. life+resist rings etc) to give a good base to your build when you hit maps. At 80, your gems will be low level, and your gear is most likely terrible - there is a large amount of power to be gained from both as you play.

In terms of up-to-date resources, Zizaran is currently putting out 'PoE University' content https://www.youtube.com/c/Zizaran, which generally addresses all the issues that block newer players progressing. Enki-witch is the go-to forum guide https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1147951, as it goes through the fine details for new players. When looking at guides, keep an eye out for highly detailed levelling sections, as well as detailed guides about what items/stats are important, and how to progress gear, and in which order the priority of gear upgrades are. Look for builds that don't requie specific items to work, or high power items. Cheap uniques are OK, anything that costs 1c or less is going to be very easy to find/trade for. Also lots of streamers do good content for all levels of play, just watching someone like mathil play and develop a build as he goes will teach you a lot about the process. Zizarans 'play with me' are also ideal to get you effectively to maps.

link you profile and make it public, we can then see what obvious mistakes you have made that will instantly make the game way easier to play (i.e. gear and tree).

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Arch_0OP•

try to not hoard unless you know the items is good

This is a big issue just now. I have only four basic tabs and they are pretty much maxed. I have currency, cards and essence tabs. I was actually a kickstarter or whatever it was called supporter way back in the day so I had some points to spend.

https://www.pathofexile.com/account/view-profile/Hellfire0

Edit: I'm watching his How to know when your items are good video are it's a struggle. Half the time he may as well be speaking a different language.

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N4k3dM1k3•

Looking at your gear, dump every item in the stash - its trash! Don't collect gems, rares in general need lots of resist+life, but at your level and later in the league no rare you find will be worth keeping (since you are not using it)

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OK, its pretty clear why you are struggling here - but there is way too much stuff to cover so I will stick to some [really important] basics to start. I can see how many deaths you have, since you haven't hit 80 yet but have Lvl19 gems - you have played alot, but constantly dieing to all content is holding back your progression (and I assume enjoyment) [gems don't lose xp when you die, or suffer xp penelties based on level differences]

Ever item you have is bad for your setup. You 100% NEED to have 75% resistances capped for fire/cold/lightning (chaos is nice but lower priority). You will get chilled instantly by any cold damage, which is getting you killed way to much. Get as many gear pieces with resists and life as possible. 1.4k life + 1.2k ES with bugger all MoM mana is pretty low. https://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Victario's_Charity is a good unique shield to use, and cheap. Life+resist helemt (+minion gems later, maybe pushing to something with supproted by minion life+damage when you have enough to afford it) and maybe life+resists+movespeed boots would be better, life+resist gloves. Only 2 gear slots have life on them, you want 60+ in each slot as a minimum (unless its a unique you need). Baron is bad until you stack strength to 1000 - and you should have a 4link (use jewelers/fusings it cheap on 4 links) minion setup in yout hat as it has +2 socketed minion gems - all your damage somes from gem levels + links.

Speaking of links, you have 2 4-links - neither of which contain you damage setups (zombies or skellies), those should be 4-linked by before the end of act 4. If you want to know what are the best links, checkout any summoner build. This one is OK, but not so beginner friendly https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2642810. You are a minion build, you don't cast spells youself, you have stuff to do the killing for you. Contageon and fireball are not of use. Let zombies follow you around (use a convokation gem to bring minions to you), then cast skellies to kill tougher enemies. Pride is a good aura to use, since you minions do melee physical damage. Basic skill gems to use: zombie - melee phys - minion dmg - multistrike: skellies - melee phys - minion dmg - feeding frenzy (this can be on either minion to get the buff, or the golum if he stays alive - then use maim instead): flame dash / dash with second winf for movement (or use shield charge + faster attacks + fortify): convokation: golom+minion life+meat shieldorfeeding frenzy: Pride aura or skitter bots, then use either dread or war banner both work, don't need to plant them, just leave them reserved. Purity of elements is OK to get more resists allround, but not needed with better gear and you may need to take the reduced mana reserved nodes to fit it in.

Flasks. Have a granite and jade flask, get curse +freeze immunity on them, cast them on cooldown - along with a quicksilver and roll movement speed on it (you will move around much more quickly). Go blood aquaduct (start of act9), get a divine life flask and roll it to have bleed immunity, with an instant prefix (bubbling or seething). This will instantly apply the life regen - damage comes quick, so you need quick healing. Last flask can be quartz or basalt (defensive), but you might find it hard to keep 4 flasks to often, but 3 is not too bad - especially as you don't need to be attacking due to using minions.

Now, the tree. You have made the most common new player mistake of picking most point near the start. You are trying to scale multiple damage types and scale both ES, life and use mind over matter (not a good idea for new players). Focus on life only. Focus on minion damage only, not spell damage. Nodes near the start are generally not very good 'value', you should only ever take one path away from the start - here you take the minion nodes, spell nodes, plus the [bad] ES nodes. You have full loops of skill points (almost always bad), which you should avoid where possible. Damage buffs to you generally don't count for your minions, the golom nodes for example are not useful. Minion instability is something you build around - its not really doing anything useful for you here. Remove Mind over matter, minion instability and all ES/mana nodes. Get all life you are near. The jewel socket you get is more expensive than others (eg straight above lord of the dead) and the jewel is a waaste of the points to get it. Something like below will triple you life on the trash gear, pushing to about 4500 life with 60 life on each peice of gear. https://poeplanner.com/ABUAANkAFTMAAGnfiukCJbJihp69bRkI9GpDvOpr20yzBAeD21XGOlgtH5UgwfMkmq1IGh1yxSycES18g4t2Vi466R4I6-6nCI9Gvkke2otlm6HMvE25hWCqxJrgRZ1TUjLRRUfAZgSzogDwH4hAKpimrKqpkDMdFPrSFm_jamaeoOZncUqfYvRxsjrGcg9Z8xo4kFUnLySqNulo8q9sC2HT-1qRqH1qrOyKxq48LYPMtz7-Cti9NZL-j03jplc64fJFg1_E9q-nHM4rUA3N_lTsg9OPR4X-gdleOQsAAAAAAA==

Jewels are very powerful, look into that when you get the hang of the other gearing stuff. There are plenty of other things to look at (eg. offering, desecrate, curse in a trigger wand), impale, cluster jewels, strength stacking for baron, elemental conversion and elemental overload, block/glancing blows, raise spectres/animate guardian buffing minions, 6 link chest + elder minion helmet. These will push your survivability and damage by orders of magnitude, but don't worry about it until you are comfortable with the other things listed.

Try a bit of this out in standard this week, see how much it helps. Find a really good guide (eg enki witch) to follow in heist, try to understand what items to use and which gems setups are important. You will progress much more easily simply by imporving a few areas of your build, and the game will be much less frustrating to play!

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Arch_0OP•

Thanks for the advice. It's a lot to take in to be honest but it's appreciated. I honestly don't know if it's encouraged me or made me feel worse!

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N4k3dM1k3•

its fine, every new play does the same things as you (usually much worse in fact).

Main things to takaway - cap resists, get life+resists on gear (as much as you can) - life + damage on the tree, only scale one type and use 1 or 2 well linked damage skills that scale the same damage (e.g here minions). You can follow a guide for the rough tree and gems links to use, and as long as it doesn't need specific mechanics/uniques to work, you can fill out the rest and you will be fine (at least upto red maps if you get a 5/6 link).

Use some regrets on the tree, maybe buy a couple of life+resist gear pieces and sort out you gem links and you will see what a difference it will make. The rest is just refining on that solid base.

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HOLLYWOOD_EQ_PEDOS•

Damn son, that kiwi badge.

I buy probably ~6 new tabs each league because of my growing hoarding issues 🙃. Take his advice.

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Arch_0OP•

I guess that's a pretty rare things to have these days!

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ziegone•

They usually run a tab sale at the end of first week after league launch

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Soph1993itaTrickster•

and then again every 3 week-ends.

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ziegone•

U can add my discord DockingWithTheHomies#4598 if u want a bit more of a helping hand

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HOLLYWOOD_EQ_PEDOS•

DockingWithTheHomies

Don't do it man. This guy isn't trying to help you.

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ziegone•

Huh?

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HOLLYWOOD_EQ_PEDOS•

Sorry, just a joke that missed the mark ;P

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Arch_0OP•

That username....

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demonardvark•

I'm not clear on what you are looking for. Are you looking for what to do with endgame, or are you looking for item management help? Stash tab sales happen every three weeks or so, so that can help you there.

end game wise POE is a bit weird as there is no definitive endgame. Diablo 3 seasons, you get your 6 set, and just grind rifts forever. POE you can do basically what ever you want. You can do all maps to complete atlas, you can farm conquerors and sirus for fat loots, you can delve, you can make a boss character and help other people out, you can fart around with any of the other masters and do a shit load of incursions, you can become a lab runner (my personal choice), you can play animal crossing in your hideout. You can pursue the league challenges for some cosmetic rewards.

POE is curious because the structure of it is you do what you want, now some may say A8 Sirus is the true endgame but the real endgame is whatever you want it to be. you set your own goals and pursue what you want. It's a bit more fluid and abstract than other games.

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Arch_0OP•

I'm not clear on what you are looking for.

Neither am I! I was hoping someone could help me focus on what I should and shouldn't be doing.

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demonardvark•

i mean....... the rest of my comment lists a lot of things you could do......

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N4k3dM1k3•

he is not there yet dude, just needs to get a good base build to get going in the game. Right now the game is going to be pretty hard, a quick adjust of gear/gems/tree will put them on track.

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stauddAscendant Masterrace•

run maps, finish your atlas and the zana + conquerer questline.

get a strict lootfilter, it does a lot of work for you. it even has uniques sorted by market value.

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Shinbo999•

I would suggest you to reach at least lvl90, no need to juice your maps or push crazy reds. (I used to do it every other league, reach t16 and juice all maps like i could do it... But i finally understood last league i had to enjoy the build Im making, so i just alc and run until i can take higher juiced maps)

Just farm on your own pace, Enjoy your character upgrade small by small etc. Then next step could be at least have lvl 20 ²⁰quality gems (which is a huge boost for dps output). Then maybe push for atlas completion and Master Sirus A8 kill etc... Then just maybe get 24/36 challenges, I usually try to get 36 every league!

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Sallian3•

The best place to find builds is on the official forums just wait until Heist launches in a few days people will update/add new guides if you don't have premium stash tabs look for SSF friendly builds so trading is not required.

Use a bit of common sense though if a guide creator claims it can complete all content on a small budget yet only show videos with mirror tier gear it's likely untrue or takes way too much time to kill bosses or clear maps.

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Arch_0OP•

Here's where things get more difficult. I get hit with things like SSF and mirror tier gear that mean nothing to me. I appreciate the help but I just stare blankly at it.

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Sallian3•

Sorry ill try to elaborate a bit SSF stands for Solo Self Found its an optional game mode without trading or party play so if a build is SSF friendly it means that it can function without trading for specific items.

As for mirror tier gear a mirror of kalandra is the rarest currency in the game it duplicates an exact copy of an item so for gear to be worth a mirror its got to be near perfect which most players will never be able to afford or craft.

Hopefully this helps?

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Arch_0OP•

Thanks. I really enjoy the game but I'm struggling with so many things.

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Sallian3•

Yeah the newxplayer experience is terrible there is a couple of youtubers who have tons of guides if you are patient enough to watch them this guy is doing an entire beginner series https://www.youtube.com/c/Zizaran

Also this guy started a series of what you can accomplished with only 90mins per day https://www.youtube.com/c/Balormage/playlists the series was called working class exile

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ASararu•

Most of us have been through this phase. It's a complex game with a lot of mechanics in place, so it can feel overwhelming. Here are a few advice I can give you from my experience:

  1. Use a loot filter. This will filter out a lot. Google PoE filter and just pick one. There are quite a few excellent item filters out there.

  2. Once this is done, just focus on one build. One easy way is to sell everything you don't need, and with the currency you make buy items for your build. This will eliminate the complexity of figuring out which items are good for which builds. At least for now. Later this 'skill' will be very useful, and can offer a very different, but rewarding play style.

  3. Ask questions. Don't be afraid of this. Sure you will get troll answers, it's the Internet in the end, but there's someone who will give you the answers. Either reddit, in-game, forums, whatever works for you.

  4. Play the game. A LOT. You need to understand the mechanics, how things work, interact, how to work with your atlas, how to use betrayal, how to craft items, etc. Play the game until you start asking questions about little details. Then your game knowledge would have increased. But for that you need to play the game.

Feel free to PM me if you have questions. I'll gladly answer then whenever I can.

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Arch_0OP•

I've got a loot filter but I think it need a more refined one.

Time to look into trading I suppose.

I'm actually really pleased by the response on here. I wasn't expecting you all to be this helpful.

I have a very basic understanding of everything but I worry about wasting time and resources but perhaps I should just dive in.

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Soph1993itaTrickster•

zizaran university on youtube for big topics, engineering eternity for specific bosses and labyrinth.Any levelling tips guide will work even if a bit old.New starter builds are gonna come out in 2-3 days in the dozens.

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Arch_0OP•

Someone else mentioned that. I've subscribed and will have that playing next time I jump on.

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-Deimne-•

For build guides the vast majority of creators tag them with the league. I'd worry about any that don't.

In about 20 hours you'll be looking for new posts tagged as 3.12 builds for Heist. (Anything not updated after that time was done pre patchnotes, so caveats apply)

Bonus points for builds that are SSF viable, you'll have a much easier time gearing them, and HC viable, you'll have a much easier time surviving the endgame to learn mechanics.

Worth watching a few videos on trading. It and the economy it creates is a major part of the PoE league system. It's not difficult once you've done it a few times.

  • Find the item you need on the trade site (be sure to search the correct league/standard depending on what you play) https://www.pathofexile.com/trade/search
  • Copy the whisper message
  • Check you have the price and put it conveniently in your inventory (already in the right stack sizes)
  • Paste the message in game
  • Wait for a party invite from the person (trade can be slow at league end, so you might get ignored a few times)
  • Accept the invite
  • Right click their profile image (upper left) and select visit hideout
  • Wait for them to initiate a trade and accept when it pops up
  • Place your currency in the trade window and check they've placed the correct item for sale in their part
  • Double check it's the correct item
  • Change glasses and or monitors and once again check it's the correct item
  • When you're fully sure it's the correct item make sure it's highlighted by mousing over it and then accept trade

Basically the same for selling, but you do the party invite, wait for them to show in your hideout, start the trade and triple check they've put the correct currency.

As for the mapping part, depends on your goals really. Some aim for Awakener level 8 Sirus kills, some like full Atlas completion, some aim for currency farming and the mapping is simply a byproduct of that, some want Uber Elder or Uber Atziri kills, others farm challenges and some just like pushing their build.

The actual goals don't really matter, just that you enjoy them.

Early game you get big upgrades from gem levels, extra links, new skills/supports/auras/curses and a rapidly expanding skill tree offering lots of keystones. Late game these all slow down comparatively and the improvements tend to come from incremental gear upgrades. Getting used to the methods of achieving the gear upgrades, whether it's self found/crafted or bought on the trade site is a big part of the endgame.

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Arch_0OP•

Early game you get big upgrades from gem levels, extra links, new skills/supports/auras/curses and a rapidly expanding skill tree offering lots of keystones. Late game these all slow down comparatively and the improvements tend to come from incremental gear upgrades. Getting used to the methods of achieving the gear upgrades, whether it's self found/crafted or bought on the trade site is a big part of the endgame.

This is it. I feel like I'm starting to hit a wall. I'm clear T4 maps fairly easily but I think my character is held together with tape and I'm too afraid to make any real changes.

https://www.pathofexile.com/account/view-profile/Hellfire0

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-Deimne-•

The good news is lots of room for improvements there.

You're currently playing on a couple of 3 links. Upgrading those to four links will give a big boost to your minions.

Raise Zombie > Multistrike > Feeding Frenzy

Skellies > Minion Damage > Summon Phantasms

Spectre > Minion Damage > Phantasms

Chaos Golem > Inc Critical Strikes > Minion Speed

The unlinked Arcane Surge (if using Arcane Surge you want to keep it low level so a single or few skill uses triggers it. Lvl1 is the most common linked to a movement skill or something you spam), unlinked deathmark, Frostblink taking a space in a 4 link are basically dead gems. The Contagion, Fireball + LMP seem very questionable on a minion build, but I've never gone down the minion instability route so potentially there's some clever mechanic involved there I don't spot from a glance (if not, drop those too).

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You'll be keeping The Baron long term. Invest a few armourers scraps into giving it 20% quality, a few jewelers orbs into four socketing it and then a few fusing orbs into four linking it. The +2 to socketed minion gems in the helm is a big boost, be sure to put minion gems in there ;)

You'll want to do the same with your gloves and your wand (3 link), but you can probably upgrade them to a better base before doing so.

For the wand you could look at upgrading to a Convoking Wand (rolls minion modifiers, drops in the Lex Ejoris region) or a wand that only drops from the temple that has minion damage rolls. Potential for adding Trigger A Socketed Spell craft on the wand too to help automate some defensive layers like Bone Offering or Tempest Shield, but prices will start to increase the more you aim for.

Once you get those extra 4 and 3 links you'll have a bit more room to play with things.

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Lots of different ways to build out a strong summoner build. Something like a strength scaling zombie build can be super strong, but takes a lot of gear to hit the +1k or 1.5k strength thresholds. You can check out https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2642810 for an idea of one way to go.

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Something like https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2785261 might be a bit closer to the instability play style you were aiming for.

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You don't need to follow those exactly. Minion builds are pretty forgiving. Feel free to just grab pieces of advice from them for ways to scale what you already have rather than having to mirror them.

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Arch_0OP•

Thanks for the well written reply. I really appreciate it.

You can check out https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2642810 for an idea of one way to go.

This is exactly the build I had looked up a few days ago. It really hit me that I had no idea how to go about achieving it though. I'm just so overwhelmed that I don't even know what questions I should be asking. The best way I can describe this build is that I came back and made a really good effort with no help and teaching myself to end up with this 'thing' that sort of works. Fireball is never used. Not sure I even have it. It sort of loops back to having no idea what loot is actually good for me or for sale.

I've been trying to get friends to join me so I'd at least have someone to bounce questions and ideas off but no luck.

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-Deimne-•

Getting to maps on an early character already puts you ahead of the vast majority of players. Be proud.

Gearing priorities is a big challenge to get used to. It can vary so much on different builds depending on what you're scaling on your tree it takes a little time to get used to.

Summoners are great though, they make the challenge there a lot easier. You don't care about spell damage, attack damage, critical strike chance or multipliers and lots of other mods so finding suitable gear is a lot easier. You basically just rush to cap your resistances and then scale life all you can while grabbing the odd minion scaling roll that pops up.

The downside is learning about it all takes a bit of time, some trial and error and potentially a lot of reading.

Focus on that guide and you'll learn a lot. Don't be afraid to jump into the thread and ask some specific questions. Lots of the questions will probably already have been asked and answered so reading the discussion can be helpful too.

Always good to throw some other similar guides into the mix for reading. Stuff like Kay's Spectres https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2181275 or even older threads like Viperesque's old Phys Skellies https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/2108003 can help to teach a lot. Just take care that anything released before the patchnotes later might be a little out of date, but something like Viperesque's shows that the general mechanics and ideas behind them don't change much. You can still follow it and cruise to maps without changing a thing.

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