IT is one of few fields where having a shitty attitude is acceptable and it's dumb

Let’s clarify two things up front:

 

1: I’m obviously not saying everyone who works in the field has a shitty attitude. I’m saying that those attitudes are acceptable and even lauded, particularly on Reddit (which is probably disproportionately IT folks).

 

2: I’m not against people having to reboot their PC’s before contacting IT. That is a completely reasonable request because it fixes a really large percentage of issues and has minimal effort. My complaints are the attitudes of people in the field AFTER that has been done and there is still a problem.

 

I am more computer literate than the average office employee, mostly because I’m younger than the average office employee, but even I occasionally need technological assistance. Every interaction I’ve had with internal IT groups in my career has been shitty.

 

No other field has such enormous circlejerks on Reddit about how tough they have it and how stupid the people they have to deal with are.

 

“He didn’t even know that he had to do X, Y, and Z.”

 

“I swear to God they don’t even bother googling their problem or doing any research AT ALL.”

 

Are recurring comments on Reddit about working in IT. And I’ve had IT professionals ask me if I tried googling/researching my problem before contacting them with an issue.

 

No. I fucking didn’t. Do you know why? Because that is YOUR JOB. You are not a charity. You aren’t here helping the homeless with their computers. You are PAID to be here to do YOUR JOB which, yes, fucking includes fixing my tech problems and, YES, fucking includes having the knowledge/conducting the research to do so.

 

If someone asked me something about what I do and I said “Well, did you try researching your question before coming to me? Did you try jumping through hoops to fix it or figure it out yourself?” my ass would be grass. How come it is an acceptable response for them? Asking you to do what you're paid to do should not be controversial.

 

And while we are on the subject: No, you are not the only people who have to deal with folks that know fuckall about what you do. Motherfuckers, that is like 90% of the jobs! Everyone has to put up with similar bullshit of one stripe or another, you don’t have it worse than anyone else, you’re not part of some esoteric brotherhood, get over it.

Posted Sep 21, 2020, 3:36 PM UTC

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Atlasreturns Which side are you on? •

No. I fucking didn’t. Do you know why? Because that is YOUR JOB. You are not a charity. You aren’t here helping the homeless with their computers. You are PAID to be here to do YOUR JOB which, yes, fucking includes fixing my tech problems and, YES, fucking includes having the knowledge/conducting the research to do so.

Not trying to generalize here and maybe in some office spaces that's different but often IT isn't actually there to babysit employees with their personal technology problems. Very often their job is actually to primarily to set up networks and keep the digital environment running but not play tech support.

This get's kinda amplified by most IT services being service contracts with a fixed rate. So when you're payed to only keep the infrastructure running there is very little incentive to play tech support on quasi your own time.

If I'm payed hourly then gladly give me all your one google search issues. Because that's pretty much free money.

Even more annoying because IT is maybe one of the most thankless jobs in existence as people pretty much only realize when stuff isn't working.

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halfback910OP•

In those cases I've worked with third party tech support services. Not internal IT.

Third party tech support has been universally respectful and have universally solved my issues timely and effectively. That is part of why I specified internal IT in my post.

I didn't want to get too granular is all.

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Atlasreturns Which side are you on? •

Yeah was just trying to explain it from a more insider perspective. That being said I never worked in internal IT, but the people I usually correspond often face the same issues of being primarily there for maintaining infrastructure but instead having to do Tech support all day. And then get scolded for other projects that aren't finished.

But yeah not everyone obviously has a reason. There's also a lot assholes, and it being a more stressful job can amplify that.

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halfback910OP•

I get that and what I'm saying is those stresses and factors are not unique to IT. I have had scenarios exactly like what you described.

"Why didn't you do this special project?"

"I've been focusing on keeping my metrics stellar."

"Forget your metrics, this project is drop dead important."

Teo months later

"Why aren't your metrics stellar?"

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NewArborist64•

I have worked in IT - and there is a REASON that people in IT can develop such attitudes. You spend 4 hours trying to fix someone's machine that they claim was working properly yesterday, and they didn't make ANY changes at all, but it suddenly stops working. After 4 hours, they tell you about this absolutely AMAZING screensaver that they just loaded...

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Things like this is why I have stopped being "The Office Guru" on fixing PCs and started telling people, "Sorry, I can't fix your PC, you need to call The Help Line". It was a waste of my time (Never saw it appear on my annual reviews) AND the IT guys make a lot less money that I do, so it was wasting the company's money.

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Mutamin•

Asking you to put your problem into a Google search is not a big ask. You act like it's beneath you to make any effort to solve your own problem simply because the IT department exists. That's like people who put shit back on random shelves in stores because they know there's someone who will clean it up for you.

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NewArborist64•

In our company, it is not the JOB of the end-user to fix their computer. It could take a data entry person 1-2 days to try to fix their own problem (assuming that their account even has enough privileges to do so), when it would take an IT person an hour AND if it is a wide-spread problem (thank you, Microsoft patches), IT needs to track the problem and come up with a universal fix, rather than having thousands of people individually waste their time trying to fix their own PCs.

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halfback910OP•

I do not think that's the same at all. I don't fix my computer for a living just like I don't fix my car for a living.

If I got under the hood of my pc, even just in terms of software, and fucked something up I'd get in trouble right? Because I'm not IT and shouldn't have been doing it.

I don't know the extent of my own knowledge about computers. I don't have IT's ability to diagnose. And researching a solution is a skill itself.

Not only will I be worse at diagnosing and fixing my car than a mechanic. I'll be worse at knowing what to research TO DO those things.

I drive my car every day. Does that mean I know where to start fixing it? No.

Cleaning up after yourself involves no knowledge whatsoever. If you called Amazon's customer service to figure out where your package was would it be acceptable for them to tell you to google it yourself?

No. They'd tell you how you can find it online for the future maybe. But they'd also help you and resolve your issue.

I think it's unreasonable to expect me to research my own issues just like it would be unreasonable to expect IT to take out their trash or vacuum their department's carpet even though they "could".

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Mutamin•

The car mechanic example is actually a great way to prove my point. A mechanic wouldn't expect you to replace your transmission or other highly technical parts, but you should be able to do simple troubleshooting and repair of things like wiper blades, fluid levels, replacing blinkers. (some cars are easier than others) Now, just because it's a mechanic's job to find and fix problems in cars, that doesn't mean you run to them every time you run out of windshield washer fluid.

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NewArborist64•

Everyone is ignorant, but some people are more ignorant than others.

My wife doesn't know (or even need to know) where all of the fluids go in the car, or how to replace the wiper blades or to change a tire. These are things that I or my sons will do for her. We need her to be the best mom/wife that she can be, and we will take care of the minor mechanical stuff (and have the professional mechanics take care of the major stuff).

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blondieboyfriend•

all the more reason to stay single and childless: won't be infantilized by men who think being a good mom/wife and knowing the basic parts of a car are mutually exclusive

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JackHoff13•

I work in tech support. My main frustration is when users ask me how to use an application. No Bro I setup the software. I do not know how to use your 2020 Autocad or any other program you use. Ask your manager for training.

We also work with a Ton of Elderly people, who refuse to learn anything about their PC and yell at us for some stupid shit they do not know how to do. Like IDK Becky how about you select the printer you want to print to? IDK Becky why don't you access the Downloads folder. Becky: IDK how to get to the Downloads folder. IDK Becky please open google Chrome. Becky: IDK what Google Chrome is.

It can take me upwards of 30 mins to get remote access to PC's. How do you make more money than me, but don't know how to find your downloads folder???

The speed of technology has also made user extremely impatient. Just because you can google something in 2 seconds doesn't mean your entire computer can be fixed in 5 mins.

Also You are an idiot if your Treat your IT people poorly. We will just put you on the back of the list. If you are going to be an Impatient Dick don't expect me to help you out immediately.

PSA: If I have to work on your PC and you continue to just sit in your chair and make me stand I will put you on the back of my list as well.

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Sgtonearm01•

Exactly this. My support ends after installing some program you need. Any functionality inside the program, call them. Sorry that I don't know how to make complex algorithms. There are millions of programs out there, sorry I don't know how to use them all.

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4parkerlane•

There’s nothing more frustrating than restarting your computer 3 or 4 times only to have IT restart it remotely and the problem is magically fixed. What the hell!? And then IT is often a dick about it like I lied to them about restarting.

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Tembldrock•

I call it "Tech magic". I used to work in a phone shop and we has sooooo many people come in and say "Everytime I do this it breaks" then demonstrate and it is fine and their phone worked. There is no reason, it just did, not the users fault just that technology is weird like that.

It is like if you are trying to start a car that won't start and you turn the key 5 or 6 times then someone else tries and it suddenly works, it isn't down to the user, it is just a coincidence.

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browniesboy17•

The "modem" that broke is actually your computer... when i ask you to power cycle the computer, please know the difference between that and your monitor. I'm a very patient person, but calling the helpdesk with an extremely mundane task feels degrading while we are in the middle of converting servers, working with tech from other vendors and a spectrum of other things that require more attention then a "modem that wont boot to my home screen"

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OverworkedUnderpay•

I don't do specifically IT, but I know how to fix most tech problems, so I end up getting paid the same $ but now I have 2 jobs because every woman in the firm thinks it is my duty to Simp for them. I had to start saying NO and the attitude I received in return convinced me to never help them again with IT. I am not responsible for the Ink in your printer nor do I keep a database of all of your passwords. That is your responsibility, I just wanted to help keep the firm running smooth, but then people begin to expect you to do extra for no extra $ because you did it before.

I have to agree with any IT person over your viewpoint, you are getting upset because they have a bad attitude? Look in a mirror. Their job or not, you need to reevaluate your tone of voice and what you are saying, because most likely it is your attitude that is causing a negative response from IT.

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MysticAviator•

Well to be fair IT guys get paid to fix your stuff, not emotionally comfort you. And frankly if you don't know how to use your own equipment, maybe you shouldn't have it. When I first learned to drive, I studied up on the entire button layout of the cab and all the specs of the truck before I even drove it. Learn how your stuff works so you're not a burden on others.

Granted people like that keep IT guys in business but hey, at least they're not dicks to the customers' faces and we need an outlet for this stuff so that it doesn't build up.

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bopoll•

lol it must have really bruised your ego doing something dumb when you thought you were more technical than others

IT people have more important things to do than spoonfeed you

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windowschick•

Oh hell, I'm in IT and there is stuff I should not be doing. Partly because I've been in it long enough and away from day to day support long enough that I'm dangerous with some things. Windows Server 2003 anyone?

Also, my corporate account does not have elevated/admin privileges. Gotta call the desk.

I do always shut down at the end of the day and boot fresh in the morning. Recently discovered that many fellow workers were having issues with an application. Turns out most of the impacted folks hadn't rebooted recently.

I never argue with a desk person when they tell me to reboot, even if I just finished one immediately before calling. They may have known about an issue behind the scenes with a service, or a server that got fixed. Usually rebooting a laptop restarts a service that either stopped or got hung up, and support doesn't want end users digging for how to restart it, if they even have permission to do so. Or they are tracking to see if the reboot successfully starts it.

I cut my teeth on supporting printers. You couldn't pay me enough to go back to a helpdesk job. I suppose if I got fired from my current job and couldn't find anything else maybe. I feel for the people in smaller companies who have to do the jobs of multiple people. It is stressful juggling. Don't miss the 12 hour days, people calling the wrong department and screaming at me anyway. Yes, you are supposed to let it roll off your back. But eventually burnout sets in, and then you're like "eff everything".

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LibertyOrTacos•

Probably because most incompetent users believe that their time is more important than yours for some incomprehensible reason. Nevermind that they spend half their time screwing around and fucking up their computers, they expect you to drop all other duties and fix their problem because you're just the IT guy, all while being ignorant that the IT guys keep the entire machine running and without them, nothing gets done.

Facilities and IT are critical. Mid level report writers are not.

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bopoll•

Okay but seriously you have no fucking idea how unbearable it is working IT

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