r/AMA•
el_muerte17

AMA Request: Scumbag IAmA Admin

I'd like to see scumbag IAmA admin 32bites come around to answer our questions about his arrogant powertripping decision to COMPLETELY SHUT DOWN r/IAmA simply because he's too busy to moderate a 450k-subscriber subreddit and, for some reason, refuses to simply demod himself and hand the subreddit off to one of the hundreds who've already stated their willingness to take over.

His reasoning is akin to a farmer setting all his crops on fire simply because his tractor broke down and he's too proud to ask his neighbour for help.

Posted Aug 25, 2011, 7:11 PM UTC · edited

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pseudolobster•

There's a difference between an admin and a mod.

Admins run the whole site. They take care of the programming and the marketing and the business etc. They officially work for reddit.

Mods are regular users who have some power over a specific subreddit. Subreddits are created by the users, and run by the users. They have the ability to ban someone their specific subreddit, as well as deleting spam posts. Outside of their subreddit, they have no power.

32bytes happened to not only be a mod of IAMA, but also the creator. They basically owned that subreddit. They can allow anyone they want to post there, or they can make it private if they want. Anyone can create a subreddit and put whatever they want there. They can allow people to post or they can make it so you need permission to post. They're allowed to decide what content goes in that subreddit, because it's theirs.

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el_muerte17OP•

My bad, didn't realize the difference. The point still stands, though.

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T____T•

Why did you delete this post? http://i.imgur.com/Zhw5s.png

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el_muerte17OP•

I didn't, and it still shows up on mine... think there might be a bit of drama with mods deleting/undeleting it, but I definitely did not delete it.

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T____T•

Oh, okay. Mind screenshotting or pasting it here then? :)

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[deleted]•

Not really. It was his subreddit, so his decision to delete it is somewhat justified.

Now it's up to someone else to create a successful new one.

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reverse_cigol•

I want to downvote you but I can't . . . this subreddit sucks.

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pseudolobster•

Why would you downvote for that?

You downvote when someone is not adding to the discussion. Not because you disagree with them, or because you don't like the factual answer they provided, but because they're being disruptive.

What incorect_idiom said is true. That really is the way reddit works. Sorry. It's not incorect_idioms fault, he's just trying to factually answer the question.

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Rooster10•

I don't see why you'd downvote him for posting factual information.

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[deleted]•

http://www.reddit.com/r/AskPeopleAnything/

I suggest you go there.

Downvote button available, no linked posts to prevent karmawhoring and we allow requests and celebrities.

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[deleted]•

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elbrian•

Not really. It was his subreddit, so his decision to delete it is somewhat justified

Remember when OP said:

His reasoning is akin to a farmer setting all his crops on fire simply because his tractor broke down and he's too proud to ask his neighbour for help.

Yeah... he's spot-on. You're just being pedantic.

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tmkenney3•

Exactly. Glad you said this for me, it's too late in the afternoon for me to get my arguing jets all fired up...

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Remember when incorrect_idiom said:

Not really. It was his subreddit, so his decision to delete it is somewhat justified

Yeah... that's still applicable. It was his subreddit and it was his right to shut it down. You can argue the logic or merit but you can't deny his ownership.

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Rooster10•

Sorry you got downvoted, dude, but you're completely right.

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[deleted]•

It's alright. The hivemind can do what it wants to.

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tfaal•

Regardless of whether he's a subreddit creator, that is still just a class of user with special privileges. Privileges that the admins are well within their rights to revoke at any time. The only possible negative outcome is upsetting the user base, and I don't think many people would be upset by that action.

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pseudolobster•

Yeah true, but I think it's just that they don't want to be involved in that sort of thing. There are only half a dozen admins to look after millions of users. They've always used a hands-off approach, let the community take care of itself, because if they didn't, they'd need several hundred times the staff they currently have.

I would be super happy if they made an exception in this case, but it opens the floodgates to all kinds of he-said-she-said drama that I'm sure the admins really don't want to deal with.

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tfaal•

There's no reason that admin action should have to be completely evenhanded though. I think that for the handful of subreddits with over 100,000 readers, the admin scrutiny should be a bit more severe.

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skookybird•

(To drive the point home:)

There are 10(?) admins (reddit employees) and they are these guys.

Everyone else is a user, and maybe a mod of (a) reddit(s).

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Iggyhopper•

In a traditional sense, mods are users who are chosen to be moderators by admins of the site. This goes for many forums.

On reddit, you are a moderator of the subreddit you create, and not based on your skills (or lack thereof) in moderating.

You see where this can cause some trouble.

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BlizzardFenrir•

You won't see 32Bites anywhere here. This was his big "fuck you".

The only way to save r/IAmA is by having Reddit moderators give someone else ownership of the subreddit by force, but I doubt that's going to happen.

All the half million subscribers are going to move on, so the amount of readers here and on the new /r/AskPeopleAnything will be increasing in the coming times.

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AttackingHobo•

I talked to hueypriest, and he said it was "reddit's natural cycle" and that more will pop up.

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kinnadian•

How many times in the past could an incident on this scale actually have happened? I'm going to say 0 times... So how does he have any basis with which to say that?

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AttackingHobo•

People have removed their own reddits all the time.

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kinnadian•

on this scale

People have removed subreddits with 450k subscribers? No.

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andrewsmith1986•

While I disagree with what he did, I completely think it was within his rights to do that.

subreddits are not a democracy and they should not be.

He created it, it is his baby/pet project.

Edit

http://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/juj7n/i_just_talked_to_the_iama_mod_32bites_on_the_phone/

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[deleted]•

We're not talking about some independent website that he coded, owned and maintained; it's just childish not to let someone else take over when it would require no effort on his part to do so. (And doesn't all of this content ultimately belong to Conde Nast, anyway?)

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andrewsmith1986•

Yes, but the admins have always stated that subreddits are under control of the creator and that they won't interfere until someone breaks the law.

He should have handed it over, but he chose not to.

I hate his choice but I respect his right to choose it.

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[deleted]•

Hopefully if there's enough demand the admins will eventually turn it over to someone else.

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andrewsmith1986•

No. I am so against this, it isn't even funny.

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[deleted]•

Don't the mods assign new moderators to abandoned or inactive subreddits from time to time? Also, didn't they just shut down r/jailbait for moderator drama and say that they would reopen it if vc chose new moderators? It wouldn't be so far fetched to see them give moderatorship to new people if the creator of IAMA said he intends to abandon it and if his disregard for the community affected Reddit's traffic (as it was a huge subredit) in a noticable way.

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el_muerte17OP•

It stopped being his baby/pet project when it grew beyond his ability to moderate it and he stopped caring.

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barbarianvillage•

If you look at his history, it looked like he attempted to do some heavier modding a month ago, but he cracked under pressure. I think what we have today is a textbook example of "burnout."

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andrewsmith1986•

I disagree.

A board(mods) nor the people that buy the product (users) should be allowed to remove the creator of a company (subreddit) nor should the government (admins) step in to force anything.

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Rye22•

Thats a faulty analogy. IAMA was good because of the people who showed up and shared their stories. The users were the ones who made IAMA what it was, not the mod. The mod might have registered the sub, but he didn't create it, and he didn't own it.

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andrewsmith1986•

That is for one subreddit.

This should be a universal rule from the admins. (which it is)

The subreddit did not exist without him.

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tfaal•

Subreddits are not a democracy, but reddit admins own the website and may do whatever they wish with it. That includes removing mods, who are just a privileged class of users. I'd support 32bites' removal.

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ifyourheadexplodes•

THANK YOU. There's so many pissed of tweens in this thread.

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CowboyLaw•

Why, why, why, why, WHY can people not get past this straw man argument? No one here (at least, no one that smart) is arguing that the mod doesn't have the "right" to destroy this extremely popular creation. What most people are trying to point out is that "fuck you, I'm taking my ball and going home" is a phase most people outgrow at, oh, say, 8 years old. You can be acting "within your rights" and still be a huge dickbag. This is one of those occasions.

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Quiggibub•

TIL 32bites is a massive fucking tool.

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bugdog•

He thinks if he shuts down the subreddit because he has a full time job and he's overwhelmed that Conde Nast will offer him a job just to keep the subreddit. At least, that's my best guess. Why else wouldn't he turn it over to someone else?

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peruvianlurker•

This is a good hypothesis, I've red in different boards too that reddit's got the 'cancer', that its now worst than digg and almost like 4chan, no intereseting things like before, just memes and reposts, and I must admit that everytime I come back to reddit even less... I think 32bit and some people are in what would be the new 'reddit', and he got hired by them or working in it because he didn't felt it was the same and for other personal reasons.

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sje46moderator•

There have been three reports for this submission. I'm not a fan of such editorialized submissions, but it doesn't violate the (currently nonexistent) rules of the subreddit, so I won't remove it. Besides, there's a lot of valuable discussion going on here anyways. Please stop reporting this submission. Thanks.

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Owwmykneecap•

nice metaphor.

Also this along with the abuse of power by that mod on r/favours shows that much of what is wrong with the reddit community is endemic and always has been, these aren't new people being dickheads..

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CountVonTroll•

nice metaphor.

Yeah. When your field is affected by a disease you burn it down to kill it off and fertilize the ground so something new and healthy can grow.

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reeve512•

Weird. There is no downvote button for this thread on my computer screen. I could care less.

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kinnadian•

As 32bytes alluded to in his post, the issue at heart here is when subreddits get too big, due to being a default subreddit, we see a ridiculous influx of bullshit posts and poor upvoting.

The same thing is happening all over the place; in r/gaming, casual users who are defaulted to joining r/gaming just upvote "cute", minimal-gaming-related bullshit pictures and not actual content. In response to this, the actual gaming users were forced to make r/truegaming simply because the admins decided that r/gaming should be default.

I honestly believe that 95% of your "bad" users could be eliminated from the population if the subreddit was simply not defaulted; reddit is big enough now that subreddits that deserve to be popular, will be popular given time, without having to be subreddited.

So I implore whomever gets to be the "real" new IAmA subreddit, do not let yourself get defaulted, or this cycle will continue.

On a side note, if someone "shuts down" a subreddit (IAmA, in this case), why can it not be simply deleted and a new one made in it's place? The old subreddit could be moved to r/oldiama or r/iamaarchive or something like that.

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GreatBabu•

That is a great analogy.

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megasam90•

justified or not, you can't say he/she isn't on a power trip shutting down one of the most popular sub reddits ever "because he/she can"

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Reddil•

Heh, I was an IAmA mod at one point (~1.5 years ago). Was demodded for absolutely no reason.

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SkullFuckMcRapeAMA•

It was Orbixx who was arrogant powertripping, stop being a 10 year old xbox moron.

32bites is in the right

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Phallic•
  1. IamA had gone to shit. If the community had actually asked insightful questions instead of upvoting stupid fucking jokes and nonsense questions this probably would not have happened.

  2. reddit is not a democracy. If he's the mod he can do whatever the fuck he wants. Instead of bitching about it why don't you start your own subreddit.

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[deleted]•

Man you losers are all fucked up over this huh? HAHAHAHAH. How sad.

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Garcia1775•

U mad bro?

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[deleted]•

no...? Wouldn't...aren't...you mad?

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Garcia1775•

Nahh, u mad.

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[deleted]•

I don't feel very mad but okay. Grrr! What ever shall I do with my days, now that boring IAmA and AMA aren't around anymore? You know what, I am going to make a r/nerdrage subreddit so we can all circle jerk and use our angry tears as lube. Join me?

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anonysera•

Why don't you just let it go? Whats wrong with this subreddit? If people really want to see IamA, i'm sure they will be able to find this subreddit.....no upvote for instigating more drama.

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No. A farmer setting fire to his crops happens in the real world.

This is the fucking internet.

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muad_dib•

I'm pretty sure the Internet is real.

Unless I'm having a really intense hallucination right now.

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INTERCEPTION

I was just trying to make the point that IAMA doesn't belong to anyone and at the end of the day, it won't actually hurt anyone to have it taken away. It's something we only got the use of because 32bits had the idea to start it. Calling him a scumbag and having a shit-fit is a bit of an overreaction.

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[deleted]•

Naw, this is all real. People are just trying to wake up the other redditors to the problem.

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muad_dib•

Oh man, there's a bit of nostalgia...

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elbrian•

Farmers set their crops on fire when their tractors break?

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Yeah. I heard on the internet!

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el_muerte17OP•

A farmer named 32bites might...

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