I know it has its flaws (as a cgi) but am I the only one who got jaw dropped with his addition? I don’t know about you, but after rewatching all the Star Wars movies (in release order), hell I liked the season finale and gave me an emotional kick that I haven’t felt from movies for years now

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Posted Dec 20, 2020, 6:42 AM UTC

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theguywhodunit•

I can’t imagine what people who say “that looked terrible” about this are thinking. It was something they’ve done before/will do again, the absolute right person to do it with, and, above all, was handled flawlessly from a story perspective.

I mean, they are obviously still working on the speech and mouth movements, but it’ll only get better. Have you seen Sassy Justice? Deep fakes are the future.

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ChrishatzOP•

Yeap I agree. From what I know, it’s one awesome piece of cgi, very well mixed to its surrounding, based on a real human being. Ok eyebrows and mouth and facial expressions need some work, but damn I was impressed.

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theguywhodunit•

Yeah. I thought the physical actor, Max Lloyd-Jones did an amazing job embodying Luke Skywalker as a master with the force and a lightsaber. I literally cried watching him slice through the ship.

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ChrishatzOP•

The moment that x-wing landed, with that pretty cool music. Ooohhh I got some nice shivers. That scene till the end is what gave me that emotional punch in the face btw. I mean once his right hand/glove/ robot thingy showed up most of us probably guessed it was him, but until that point my mind went on very high roads trying to guess who that might have been.

As just a simple Star Wars fan, who doesn’t nitpick everything the entertainment industry offers, I really enjoyed the episode. Hell, great job Lucasfilms.

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theguywhodunit•

For sure. 100%. Deep down, I wanted it to be him because he’s lowkey my favorite Jedi. But even I wasn’t convinced fully until the green light came out.

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WholesomeSexTape•

Star Wars always been about progressing technology in film industry and I think doing it this way instead of a recast was great homage to that.

I would love them to attempt a mini series or “event series” or whatever SW is calling them, with Sebastian Stan playing Luke, with some cgi modifications to fine tune it. Showing Grogu being taught, maybe even Ben Solo joining and have the arc of the Jedi school’s rise and fall. That way you could bring back Mark Hamill for the later episodes. It would also improve people’s views on Last Jedi.

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theguywhodunit•

Yeah, I mean, the OG trilogy and the prequels were definitely milestones in entertainment technology. They were the only ones, but they are almost always among the first.

The deep fake stuff wasn’t started by Star Wars but I can’t think of a better use of it than to bring life back to images of younger Mark Hamills and Carrie Fishers. The tech will be here regardless so it’s nice to see it put to actual good use.

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WholesomeSexTape•

Yeh they weren’t the first to do it but I feel like Rogue One was a huge improvement on anything that had been done before and was also a milestone. I think the sequel trilogy done great job in pushing people away from relying on green screens as much and use puppetry and models more. But definitely not as big a milestone as the OG and prequels

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theguywhodunit•

Oh yeah, I agree with that. Leia in Rogue One set the stage for not just that it could work, but where, how, and why.

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DMcCallister•

I'm one of those people that wasn't impressed with the CGI. I don't know if it was my tv settings or what but it looked like a realistic cartoon version, I can't really describe it. For the record I LOVE that it was Luke so don't take this as me hating it, I got legit chills when he removed the hood, but I'll have to give it another watch after messing with my picture settings. I have faith it will get even better though so I'm not worried at all.

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theguywhodunit•

I mean, if you’re expecting reality, be prepared to be disappointed even more. I don’t think what we saw is actually the pinnacle of the tech so there is obviously going to be improvements as time goes on, but aside from seeing the mouth move for dialogue, I didn’t have any complaints.

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ToroRubio•

Its looks very bad bro. Im just being honest.

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theguywhodunit•

Haha I mean, if you’re expecting it to look like actual reality, then you’ll never be satisfied and I’m okay with that.

I don’t want it to be completely inseparable from reality. That’s when we are it a place where the average person can’t distinguish between what’s actually been recorded and what’s been added with editing, a horrifying prospect indeed.

It looks like a young Mark Hamill, and that’s enough. Unless you want them to recast Luke, which you might get some push back against.

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norththeta•

youtube has better deep fakes at this point tbh

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theguywhodunit•

Oh for sure. Hence my reference to Sassy Justice.

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piper1871•

It's not about the CGI, it's the story. Same with it's not about the blade, it's the story behind it.

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Some people these days just HAVE TO find things to bitch about. Episode was great in most people’s opinion.

Will everyone be pleased?? No... of course not. Someone will always feel the need to bitch out some stupid tiny plot hole, graphic, storyline, etc... and ya know what

Who cares? This show has been awesome.

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ChrishatzOP•

Totally agreed

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Spot on

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NoHeadStark•

I think they could've found an actor that looks like young Mark and dubbed his voice over but for a one time small cameo, it was fine. The action scene before it was the highlight since we all knew who it was.

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TexyTheCockalier•

I thought it was Sebastian Stan until he talked

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DAHTLAEETE2RDH•

Holy shit, I never noticed the resemblance until you mentioned it. That would've been even better

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King_of_nerds77•

Agreed, the excitement of this whole episode was endgame level and made me enjoy Star Wars in a way I haven’t in all the previous movies and shows in the recent past

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joelesidin•

Favreau and Filoni told the best story possible, but we have to admit that the vfx team let them down in this particular case.

I loved the final chapter and I loved this moment, but I was way too distracted about his videogame face.

If this exists, they can definitely do better.

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ChrishatzOP•

Got your point, but I thing that the vfx lower quality might have to do that this is a series and not a movie. Kind of distracting, indeed (that’s why I said it has its flaws) but definitely on the right direction. I am hopeful that it will only get better in the future

Edit: considering the rogue movie and tarkin if I am not mistaken, this is a way better job which actually surprised me

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Beanyurza•

The Grogu and Din moment at the end saved the episode.

While Luke showing up makes sense over all, I'm disappointed in it.

Kathleen Kennedy said that Disney was done with all the main characters from the Skywalker saga after episode 9, but surprise -- it's Luke.

And the fight-for-ownership-of-the-Dark-Saber plot hole made me yell what?! at my screen. Bo-Katan was literally just handed the Dark Sabre by Sabine(who just found it where Maul left it). There was no duel for ownership.

Regular Storm troopers being next to 0 threat to main characters is getting old.

I'm of 2 minds about this final episode. As a Star Wars fan -- IT'S FREAKIN' LUKE SKYWALKER! And R2! <swoon> and the emotional gut-punch helmet off scene is the best of the 2 seasons.

But as a story teller: cheap, lazy fan service writing with an established Canon contradiction. Uhg!

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Sickboy89vision•

I believe that since she didn’t “earn” the dark saber there were Mandalorian clans that didn’t accept her title as Mandalore. Which is why she wants to earn it now.

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TwoSunsRise•

I disagree with the fan service comment. Ahsoka already rejected grogu. Luke is actively searching for knowledge and other force users at this time. Of course he would be the one to commune with grogu. And his power level was right on point too. R2? He's always with luke, made perfect sense. It all fit perfectly to me but that's just my opinion.

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ChrishatzOP•

Yeah his addition makes absolute sense as the op of the comment states but he was just disappointed because it was announced that they would stop using the old characters. Which for me is a bummer cause hell I love them.

The one thing I do agree though is the plot hole with the dark saber, but again, couldn’t care less, if they manage to back it up in the future, which I am sure they will.

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TwoSunsRise•

Very true. Some people are ready to move on from the Skywalkers so I can see this being frustrating for them. However, there are SO many shows coming out, we are going to get so many stories that aren't related to them, so hopefully everyone will find something thats for them!

The dark saber thing was weird but after reading some people's thoughts about it, it makes more sense. When she was handed the sword, she lost Mandalore maybe bc people didn't respect her bc she didn't win it. Idk....I actually just finished season 3 of rebels so I'll have to watch season 4 and see what I think.

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ChrishatzOP•

I mean, I get what you are saying, and I had some of the same reactions, but I choose to not nitpick everything, on whatever I do/see, cause it makes it harder to enjoy. But yeah, as I said I get what you are saying, you have a valid point, just on a personal level I didn’t really cared to stick on these.

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