Think about it. If you falsely accuse someone of murder the consequences are severe. Some even argue that the one making the false accusation should receive the same punishment as the person being falsely accused (if that falsely accused person was actually guilty). Should false accusations of genocide follow the same logic?
Posted Dec 28, 2020, 12:49 AM UTC
No.
Crime? Yes.
CAH? No.
analogy: Rape is bad.
False accusations for rape are bad too.
But not AS bad.
Yeah but just because something isn't AS bad doesn't mean it's not a crime against humanity. Especially when these false accusations are used to justify war and sanctions.
It does. Because 'crimes against humanity' is as vague as 'big' or 'bad' or 'tankie.'
But it is generally used for only the worst possible things.
So being not as bad, can take it out of the realm 'CAH.'
What is done, is a separate issue from why it is done.
Except this goes beyond just accusations. Imagine if someone not only falsely accused you of murder but also planted evidence and hired fake witnesses in order to frame you. That should be a VERY serious crime.
Sure. Didn't say otherwise. Just not AS serious.
What if you make false accusations because you want to convince people to go to war?
Same.
It's still a crime, but not a warcrime.
The warcrime is the aggressive war.
Not only false accusations but also planted fake evidence and hire fake witnesses in order to frame you. That's down right evil.
lol zenz getting sent to The Hague
Sadly the Hague Invasion Act does protect not just American citizens but also their "allies"
Well yeah, wrongful or misleading statements are a criminal offence in the West justice system.
No, even knowing that the accusation itself is false would not rise to the level of crime against humanity. For one who would even prosecute the case? The effectively irrelevant ICC? The inept UN? The totally not biased accusing country? Or the totally not biased accused country?
Even saying you find one someone who will hold the court and prosecute the case in an impartial way, what are the elements of false accusations? Well, I would imagine one would be knowing the statement to be false. In the age of propaganda so diffuse and decentralized, many of the people making the statements likely would not know the statement or accusation to be false. Additionally, who do you even prosecute? The head of the state department? The president? The entirety of Congress?
Lastly, what kind of sentence do you even pass onto this accused entity/state/person? Jail time? Where would they serve their sentence? Or maybe it’s an equitable remedy like a fine or a retraction and apology? Either way what is the real gain?
I understand there is a desire to seek legal recourse where a country is, effectively, defamed ubiquitously by propaganda but the real recourse is a solid defense that completely exonerates the accused. Seeking punitive legal remedies just ain’t it.
Who should be prosecuted for the crime against humanity committed against Iraq for false accusations of WMDs? Same answer.
Nothing's false when whites say it
Yes, mostly because it would expose the US on every front
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Crimes against humanity? What's the point? Capitalists are for it and won't fuck with that shit. Socialist countries will either rehabilitate or punish reactionaries trying to start wars, trying to enable fascism etc... so no one much cares about the concept of crimes against humanity. Fascists don't care and socialists will pin you for the actual implementation and activities of doing a fascist imperialism so... eh.
By the generic definition capitalism itself would be a crime against humanity.
I think so. To accuse someone of genocide is to want the defendant to serve a sentence, almost certainly a life sentence or death. To falsely accuse someone of genocide/murder is to basically take away their life, even if it’s throwing them in prison for life. It’s equivalent to killing a person almost because it’s putting them in a terrible place where they’re treated as monsters for crimes which they didn’t commit. So yes, people who falsely accuse others of genocide/murder should receive the same punishment as the defendant if they were actually guilty.