Apparently "Religion of Peace" is hate speech now.
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Posted Jan 20, 2021, 1:35 PM UTC
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I think it's because people are beginning to realise that "religion of peace" was never true, so it's become insulting or slur-like to use it.
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It's so completely discredited that you pretty much only hear it used ironically to say the opposite or to mock the people who once used that line in Islam's defense.
I don't think I've heard it used unironically in years, except by muslims in muslim majority countries.
But apparently some people really want the fact that it was ever any different forgotten.
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For context: In a thread about Islamism in France, someone commented that the mood on the topic of Islam had become a lot more critical of Islam since 2014, someone else asked how it was back then and I replied with my impression of how it was when I joined the sub in 2015.
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I got a temporary ban for something similar to this too.
mods of reddit are annoying.
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mood on the topic of Islam had become a lot more critical of Islam since 2014
Wow, they should look up what happened to islamic discussions in 2001.
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Well... In France, during 2005-2011, journalists, leftists and many others started to say that Islam is a religion of peace, a religion of tolerance, a religion of love. Whatever the terrorists attacks and such... In fact, the more the real world was against this statements, the more these people used them. Obviously, don't dare say the contrary.
I do understand why. The goal was to protect the muslims themselves for a potential hatred backslash because of the actions of some fanatical morons.
Still, these statements were overused ad nauseum... So at a moment, many sarcastic persons began to speak about it as the "Religion d'amour, de Tolérance et de Paix" (religion of love, tolerance and peace) so with the acronym "RATP". Which is also the company who manages the metro and bus system in Paris, well known for its inefficiency, frequent strikes and rather bad quality.
The RATP strike again !
Myself, I started to use my own variation : " Religion of Peace © ® ™ " , to mock it because it was like only Islam could have this qualities, so it was certainly commercially registered.
Today, it is rare to hear about the peace/tolerance/love of Islam, but it doesn't mean that the situation is better. The youth is about stopping mocking religions in general (damn generations of the "don't offend me"...), but these sarcasms still exist.
So... Yes, I can understand that saying "Religion of Peace" now can be seen as a far-right statement. Still, it wasn't like that from the start, it was a leftist property.
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damn generations of the "don't offend me"...),
That is a wild generalization.
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This thread is probably against sub rules, rule 3 mainly.
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Weird how calling out r/Islam is not exactly rare in here, then.
Pretty sure I've seen "got banned on sub x for y" rants before, too.
Well, the mods can delete it if they mind, I just wanted to vent, I can live with it if it doesn't stay up.
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I thought the new term was taqiyya?
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No? Taquiyya is a Shia concept that you're allowed to lie about which faith you follow for your own safety.
Misusing that word to describe some obscure hadith as a core tenet of Islam is popular rhetoric, but wrong.
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They're confusing ex muslim with right wing, as per usual. It's always someone non Muslim or just typically Caucasian who'll oppress exmuslims freedom of speech, not having any experience themselves of our upbringing/family life, and call for every other minority to be accepted whilst excluding us.
I'm not an ex-muslim myself actually, just very concered about Islamism and sympathetic towards ex-muslims.
Which makes it even more likely for people to categorically refuse to believe you could possibly be anything but a right winger.
I really consider anyone who’s supporting Islam in anyway a right winger. To me being supportive of this religion is akin to being supportive of nazism.
Also if someone accuses you of being right winger just give an example from hitchens’s speeches and show how Marxists are against Islam and religion in general.
Hitchens is not exactly popular with that crowd, so I don't see how that would help.
Not all of them. Not even most of them I think, if you're talking about those in the West nowadays.
And it's not a marxist / far left only issue anyway. I mean the list of people who have called Islam a Religion of Peace goes as far to the right as George W Bush.
But yeah with people who consider themselves liberal/left I do try to point out to them that supporting extreme conservatives simply because they are not white/western conservatives doesn't make any sense.
And many have gotten around to seeing that in the last few years.
Hitchens doesn’t have to be popular with them. He’s (or rather was) a marxist and an adamant anti Islamist.
Also call them right wingers anyway. If you’re not against a religion that oppresses people, that allows slavery etc., you’re not a leftist. Simple as that.