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thinkingclass

Does Embiid have a Stronger Case for MVP than LeBron this season?

In the 4 games that Embiid did not play, the Sixers lost via blowouts. He’s putting up career numbers this season as well.

As for LeBron, he has arguably a top 3 NBA player as a teammate. Without AD, the Lakers lost to the Pistons decisively and LeBron could not prevent it. He’s clearly benefiting so much from AD’s presence on the court.

In the game against the Warriors this season, LeBron also didn’t make the game winning shot.

In fact, LeBron is so much threatened by the prospect of Embiid winning MVP over him that he tried to injure Joel during the game that the Sixers won against the Lakers. He didn’t go for the ball and was not even professional enough to check if Joel was fine.

Embiid, in my opinion, is this season’s MVP so far over the narrative based only push for LeBron as MVP.

Posted Jan 29, 2021, 4:09 AM UTC · edited

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WeTheNorth20•

I do think Joel is the MVP so far this season, but its not because of what LeBron HASN'T done, no, it's because of what Embiid HAS done.

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iamadraganSuns•

True, but LeBron shouldn't even be second. Jokic should be 2nd behind Embiid

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WeTheNorth20•

I definitely have Jokic #2 on my current list. Both bigs have been BALLIN' this season.

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Zhughes12436•

No jokic should be first, Embid second

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iamadraganSuns•

I disagree. While jokic is obviously a better playmaker, he's a total liability on the defensive end

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HotDogSundae76ers•

“Total liability” is a bit harsh but he’s not anywhere close to Embiid defensively and his offensive prowess doesn’t make up for it.

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CoSharkash:den-1: Nuggets•

how about looking up some stats before spreading bs ??CLOWN

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V0ldemortt23•

ALWAYS THE CASE against LeBron.

Sometime this fucker will cure cancer and still lose the Nobel to some pig-farmer...

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thinkingclassOP•

Only stans look at LeBron this way. Without his maneuverings to get other franchise players to join him instead of competing against them, he won’t even be in GOAT conversations. Let’s not forget he wanted Kawhi to join the Lakers. Lol

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boobiesohboobies•

Lebron was in the GOAT conversation before he ever played an NBA game.

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V0ldemortt23•

Sure. Becuase he always had great teams like Kawhi. Or great teammates like Durant, Curry. Or Dynasties around him. HE IS A ONE-MAN DYNASTY. LET THAT SINK IN.

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Wtf do you call wade, bosh, Love, Irving?

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[deleted]•

AD top 3??? I stopped reading right there

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[deleted]•

I’m taking Embiid as my number 1 option over AD too. AD a good 2nd option

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GiveMyCommentsGold:lal-1: Lakers•

Lol you’re not a good basketball analyst.

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[deleted]•

Thankss that’s why we’re both on Reddit

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thinkingclassOP•

Lol. Because people have short term memory. AD is a franchise player. It’s just that he’s fine with being no 2 since he’s not jealous about other people’s accomplishments. If you look at his game on offense and on defense, he’s the prototype for the modern big.

He has no holes on offense and on defense unlike Harden, Giannis, or Curry who are also great in their own right. AD can both shoot and defend at a high level though unlike some of those guys.

Anthony Davis carried a crappy Pelicans team before until at least the 2nd round. When healthy, AD can compete with those guys and he’s clutch as well. Let’s not forget his game winner against the Nuggets in the playoffs last year and he even gave the Lakers the lead the other day against the Sixers in a close game.

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[deleted]•

A franchise player would’ve stayed with his franchise to win. Didn’t do that, next.

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Res-Au-Jus-Ciabatta:chi-2: Bulls•

Neither did Lebron.

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[deleted]•

Bron made the finals with cavs. AD could barely make the playoffs

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thinkingclassOP•

No one wants him to be like KG with the Timberwolves. Hell even LeBron left the Cavs when he didn’t win and came back only once they were full of assets + Kyrie Irving.

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[deleted]•

I’m sorry AD not top 3

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phantombricks:orl-2: Magic•

Yes. Philly is the best team in the East right now and they get blown out whenever Embiid doesn’t play

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Trick_Confidence_419•

We need to stop overrating AD. He was never a top 3 player. He won a chip as 2nd best player in the world with an amazing playoffs. Not in order: Lebron kd harden curry kawhi Giannis are all above him no debate. So AD is 7th at best.

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100PercentHaram:gsw-2: Warriors•

Harden gets disrespected a lot too.

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Trick_Confidence_419•

Just like idiots say 4-6 for Lebron final record(don’t take into account super teams he faced with shitty teammates) harden lost to warriors basically every time in playoffs and rockets as a squad wasn’t that good. Harden and dantoni system made it look better than they were

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thinkingclassOP•

Anthony Davis has been belittled since he joined the Lakers. He’s top notch on both offense and defense. He can score from the paint up to the 3 point line. The dude is essentially built for the modern style of play. Each team that plays against the Lakers worry that they have no one to matchup against AD. They’re either too short or too slow.

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Trick_Confidence_419•

Agreed. But carrying a team has its own worth like what kawhi raptors Giannis bucks harden rockets. And Lebron kd curry are just better individual players and we know that. Not belittling AD I thought he shoulda won DPOY last season

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thinkingclassOP•

We’ve seen AD carry. Now, he’s fine with being a No 2 option since he’s about winning championships. But it’s essentially like Kobe and Shaq situation who could both carry a team if they wanted to.

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Trick_Confidence_419•

Ad went to 2nd round once in his career before lakers. And for a couple years he had a solid team. I think he was only above .500 twice in his Pelicans career. Being the best player on avg/bad teams doesn’t make u a carrier

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Tony_Baloni11:mia-2: Heat•

If you read, this is pretty much a troll post

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thinkingclassOP•

Anything about LeBron not winning MVP is a troll post for Bron stans though. So fair enough.

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Jinjar-Ninjar•

It's funny how you only compare him to LeBron instead of Jokic or other contenders

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thinkingclassOP•

Because Jokic is deserving if ever compared to LeBron so I did not bother.

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Jinjar-Ninjar•

Yeah, so, why not compare Embiid to other frontrunners seeing as you just said they're more deserving than LeBron? Why would you compare #1 and #3/4/5/whatever you think LeBron is rn instead of comparing #1 and #2 and #3?

Only explanations I can think of are a) you're trying to start shit b) you don't have the brain power to compare more than 2 people or c) LeBron lives rent free in your head for some reason

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TroyAtWork:bos-1: Celtics•

Absolutely. I'd go #1 Embiid, #2 Jokic, #3 Kawhi, #4 LeBron, #5 Durant.

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honditar[LAL] Didier Ilunga-Mbenga•

Why Kawhi?

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TroyAtWork:bos-1: Celtics•

It's very close, basically a toss-up. LeBron with a moderate edge in rebounds/assists and Kawhi turning the ball over much less and playing better defense. It's actually astounding how little Kawhi is turning the ball over considering his usage. Advanced stats are mixed between the two depending on where you look (538 RAPTOR heavily favors Kawhi, ESPN RPM heavily favors LeBron). The Lakers are 11.1 points per 100 possessions worse with LeBron on the bench, while the Clippers are 17.1 points worse with Kawhi on the bench.

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SirCharles54:ind-2: Pacers•

If Kawhi had any sort of charisma he would be getting alot of MVP consideration.

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Finessetheboy:was-1: Wizards•

No Steph? That’s wack

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That-Toughsoss:gsw-2: Warriors•

I have a feeling that after you got downvoted steph will win every game and average 50. Last time reddit was shitting on curry curry dropped 62.

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StephewsRmad•

Lmfao

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HydroThermia:lal-1: Lakers•

AD top 3 holy shit even we don’t think that rn

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thinkingclassOP•

Yes we do. He’s a former franchise player who also dragged teams to the playoffs. He can score up to the 3 point area and his shooting stroke is better than Giannis. Moreover, he’s fast and long enough on switches that he can guard anyone.

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sophtkid_101:mem-3: [MEM] Ja Morant•

Consensus top 3 has been between: Lebron, KD, Steph, Kawhi & Harden. AD has never been considered a top 3 player in the league

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MathewZ4815162342:bkn-3: [BKN] Jeremy Lin•

Dragged his teams to playoffs.... musta missed that one.

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thinkingclassOP•

Yeah. Casuals don’t remember he reached the 2nd round of the playoffs even when Demarcus Cousins got injured. They lost to GSW and to be honest no one expected them to be get beyond that powerhouse.

You thought Anthony Davis career started when he joined the Lakers? You didn’t bother thinking why LeBron wanted to partner with him out of all players to begin with?

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MathewZ4815162342:bkn-3: [BKN] Jeremy Lin•

Let me ask you a question, how many years did AD play in New Orleans as the number 1 guy? 7. 7 fucking years. And all he has to show from that is 2 playoff appearances and a win over the fucking Blazers, which funnily enough wasnt won by AD it was won by Holiday. He is a 2nd option. He reached 2 the round because he had a great team around him. Not saying that in all of the 7 years he had a great roster but someone of his caliber should have been able to sneak into the 8th spot a couple times. His only real success was when he was 2nd in command to Bron.

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V0ldemortt23•

If you wanna state facts, the state also that AD is playing like shit on both ends of the floor so far. It just happens that fucking Kuzma is ten times worse than AD's worst version.

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thinkingclassOP•

He has to do so much on defense since LeBron has been on coast mode on that area to preserve his aging body. This is LeBron’s secret to longevity and unfortunately AD’s burden.

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V0ldemortt23•

This is no secret my man. Here, in Europe, we have Euroleague. Not as fancy and thats why i dont like it. You know why? Because these dudes play D and they spend most of their energy there. There is no such thing as defense in regular season in the NBA. No secret bullshits...

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That-Toughsoss:gsw-2: Warriors•

Yeah true on defense lakers are top because of gasol and ad mostly and for those downvoting look at the advanced stats.

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Finessetheboy:was-1: Wizards•

Yes

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Jinjar-Ninjar•

Couldn't you just phrase it as "Is Embiid the MVP this season"? Or is it your intent to be standoffish in the post like you are in the comments?

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whatdoidoidontkno:ind-2: Pacers•

Yes

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honditar[LAL] Didier Ilunga-Mbenga•

I was gonna actually engage in a genuine discussion about this, but the post is bait garbage without a lick of meaningful analysis.

And for that reason, I'm out.

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Fire-Elton-Brett-AL:phi-5: 76ers•

Yessirski

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AndItsNotCloseNephew:gsw-5: Warriors•

Absolutely

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MathewZ4815162342:bkn-3: [BKN] Jeremy Lin•

Imo 1. Jokic 2. Embiid 3. Bron 4. Kawhi

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LebasketBall:gsw-2: Warriors•

Yes, this is why Lebron tried to kill him yesterday.

/s

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aranjei:lal-2: Lakers•

Player importance wise, embid would be the MVP but that's not how voters pick their mvps

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obamna_:dal-2: Mavericks•

now he does

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Bayou-Maharaja:por-1: Trail Blazers•

Lol

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LeKimboSlice•

No, LMAO

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Bayou-Maharaja:por-1: Trail Blazers•

GOOD point

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LeKimboSlice•

LeBron benefitting from AD? Or the other way around? 👀

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thinkingclassOP•

LeBron is definitely benefiting more. He was being written off in GOAT conversations before AD came along. His accomplishments without AD as a Laker is a groin injury and early taping of space jam 2.

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LeKimboSlice•

I dunno about that. Lebron was in Le Goat conversation long before AD arrived. Ad was becoming a Harden. Now people think say he's top 5 and should be dpoy, and is becoming an all timer he wouldn't have been.

The real answer they're both equally benefiting because as you said, AD is is extending Lebron's contention years, especially defensively. So it's pretty even.

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