you know how it feels..
Posted Oct 16, 2011, 1:55 AM UTC
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I laughed because it's so true. It's easier to talk to Christians than Muslims about religion.
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debating a christian: I'm right, you're wrong.
debating a muslim: I'm right, you're DEAD!
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I have been seriously reading this subreddit for hours, until I read this comment and laughed uncontrollably. thanks.
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truer words have never been spoken! conclusion : muslims are fucking psychotic trash
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It's easier to talk to Christians than Muslims about religion.
It's easier to talk to today's Christians than Muslims about religion because most Christians today live in secular countries which dont allow them to punish unbelievers and apostates any more. We have forced our Christians to be less aggressive, they would never have changed on their own. During the middle ages, when religion had absolute power, Christians behaved no different and not less violent than todays Muslims do. You know the amount of sheer evil they have done in the name of Jesus "turn the other cheek" Christ. I'd even say that Muslims will never be as crazy and murderous as christians were during their heyday.
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This is a great point. It's important for us to realise that Islam is a very young religion in comparison to Christianity, and which hasn't yet had the time to adjust, evolve and moderate in response to societal change as Christianity has. It's actually quite a scary prospect, as Sam Harris says, we don't really have a few hundred years to wait for this to happen..."it's as though we're encountering the christians of the 14th century, armed with 21st century weapons"
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when they find out you are dating outside of your ethnicity, you get to skip the argument all together and get death and rape threats.
....yay...
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Rape threats?!
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i am a female. when i was younger and had to go to mosque, once some of the guys caught wind of "one of theirs" dating an "outsider", threats like this were commonplace. thankfully, none of them made good on stuff like that. there were a few other kids that dated outside of the muslim community in middle school and high school and they received similar threats. i think it was mostly just tacts used to scare you back into the community they felt you belonged to.
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Those guys ought to be reported to the police.
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And some people believe we leave the religion because we want a fun and easier life!
Somedays you cry at the irony and somedays you laugh.
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I have only debated some of my close friends, but a couple of times when the debate gets to a dead end one of them will recite surat al kafiroon to me.
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That sounds like a pretty lame move by your friend- very passive aggressive.
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I know. He's usually a smart guy but when it comes to religion some people become robots regurgitating what they were told.
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Robots are easier to reprogram.
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Never got a death threat, but have received a few after-death threats.
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I got this a while ago. :) You need to click "show previous messages" a couple of times to read from the beginning. The first message is me quoting an instant direct message.
https://www.facebook.com/KohrAh/posts/195369520476621
The story behind that is that I found this group for martyrdom supporters: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Green-Birds/168013783238376
I debated there a little bit against fundamentalism and suicide bombs and all that, and got a couple of new Facebook "friends" trying to convert me to a Muslim. Then through the network effect, their friends added me, and in time I came to know an entire network of Al Qaida supporters on Facebook.
Then, one day, one of the more violent of them, who seemed to be some kind of religious teacher, invited me into a real time chat with him and some others. They were trying to use group pressure to convert me. I know this, because I saw the messages in the group before I was added, which wasn't what they intended.
Well, they asked me direct questions, like why don't I believe in Allah. I said that I don't think he exists. Then it was all "We'll kill you on your doorsteps!!!"
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"You infidal! How can you say that? We kill you, you die. Everything ok."
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As an outsider I'm wondering:
Does this happen even from "moderate" muslims?
I mean ... The reaction to the Danish drawings didn't reveal a whole lot of people wanting to distance themselves from those sort of comments and action that came up then.
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In countries like Iran and Pakistan, if the law doesn't get you, some fundamentalist can. Heck- they are everywhere- let's not forget what happened to Theo Van Gogh.
As for the 'moderates', I like to think most are decent folks who would never do such things but we have all heard the stories of seemingly normal second generation US and UK citizens; becoming fundamentalists.
If the seeds of a questionable and dangerous belief are cultivated within the mind- who can tell when and how it will bear fruit?
But for the most part, I think the worst thing that happens among 'moderates' is ostracism.
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no such thing as moderate muslims...some are just more expressive (extremists) than others...but those who are quiet...will and do gladly follow to punish any non-believers, apostasy etc.etc. and will not question it.
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If not death threats, you might get veiled references of your future in hell.
Their god is a petty, egoistic, malicious bastard. Fortunately he doesn't exist but his followers do and some of them try hard to live up to his standards.
exactly, "I don't have to prove anything to you, you'll see when you die, and burn for eternity".
As much as I abhor this passive line of reasoning (I see it more in Christians, to be honest), it is infinitely preferable to the worldly alternatives.
I'll take my chances in an afterlife I don't believe in over those against a knife that I very much do believe in.
It is even more evil when they do this to children because they can not tell fantasy from fiction. For them, hell is real. Mentioning hell in order to produce obedience is basically a deferred/delegated threat. "Do what I say (do what the clergy says) or this guy Satan will later torture you.." It should be legally treated no different than the parents/clergy making the threats themselves.
People who can say such things are seriously disturbed.
What kind of human being can be okay with the idea of people being burnt and tortured forever?