The people's party seems to already be stepping away from socialism
Posted Feb 7, 2021, 11:21 PM UTC
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I've been discouraged with the amount of anti-socialism I've been seeing around here, and I, like Ryan Knight, will not be supporting anything except a party explicitly based on socialism / communism.
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Might as well not even use the word communism.
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i disagree
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Nothing called communism worked. Many governments associated with socialist principles yet work. Communism is Maoism or Stalinism. Socialism is Scandinavia when it’s successful and Venezuela when it’s not. There is no exemplary communist state.
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Vietnam
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Scandinavia is social democracy, not socialism. They're still Capitalist and while they have made good innovations, the Nordic model is crumbling and the corporations still pull the strings. Also, Capitalism is failing right before our eyes and it has cost many people their livelihood. One can say that Capitalism doesn't work and they would be correct.. you see its failures everyday. It's no more successful because It's success depends on the prosperity of the few against the many. There's a reason so many people, myself included, have become more open to socialism. Longevity is not an adequate measurement of success. Cuba for example is under heavy sanctions by the U.S. but has better Healthcare, literacy rates, doctors and even a lung cancer vaccine. There are ways socialism can work but its more people aren't willing to try or when they do, they get hit with propaganda or worse, overthrown by the United States.
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Well this party is going to have a quick death.
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most likely
none of these third parties are going to succeed without getting some very popular, well known figures to commit.
It really needs to be bernie + aoc + the rest of the squad collectively ditching the democratic party and bolstering a third party.
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That dose not sound like any real sort of peoples party then.
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That does not make me hopeful. If they're not fighting for socialism then what the hell are we fighting for?
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The problem is we argue over the vocabulary. Idc what you call it but what it should look like is: No tax loopholes. You register your business here you pay taxes here! We are missing out on trillions in revenue and carrying the burden. It’s plain and simple it’s not socialism it’s just people/corporations paying their fucking taxes like everyone else has to! Ease up on military spending and take all that extra cash and put it into education and health care. The right calls it socialism and communism to demonize it. Why do we follow suite as if we’re saying yea it is and we like it lol. That just adds fuel to their fire. It’s neither of those things it’s simply just making sure everyone is contributing to our society. That is all!
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It’s plain and simple it’s not socialism it’s just people/corporations paying their fucking taxes like everyone else has to!
I'm in favor of actual socialism though.
Trying to force companies to just pay taxes is just trying to patch capitalism up enough so that we limp along to the next crisis.
We need to solve our problems, once and for all. And we do this by seizing the means of production, and ending the capitalist, for-profit economy.
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Well that’s a major leap I don’t see happening without a civil war. Let’s be reasonable and start with making people pay their taxes who are stashing their money in foreign bank accounts then take it from there.
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Let’s be reasonable and start with making people pay their taxes who are stashing their money in foreign bank accounts then take it from there.
If you think even that is likely to happen, then I got some oceanfront property in arizona to sell you.
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I mean your talking about government take over of production. Manufacturing isn’t our strong suite anymore anyway. I’ve been a factory worker my whole life and I’m watching jobs get lost to automation. Let’s not go back in time. I welcome automation but eventually we will require universal basic income which will require more tax revenue. Seizing the means of production is just fucking silly at this point in time.
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We're fighting for socialist policies without having to directly fight 70 years of language specific propaganda
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If you can't even beat back the propaganda, then I think it's pretty clear that the substantive change is all but off the table, too.
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I’m stepping back for now from the advisory council of the People’s Party.
I believe we need a viable 3rd party in America that represents the interests of people—not corporations.
But I believe it must be rooted in socialism. I wish them nothing but SOLIDARITY in their vision.
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