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r/Genshin_Impact•
hackenschmidt

Fuck 11-2

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Unless you want to rework the AI, Mihoyo remove monolith defense from abyss. Why this is still included, I do no understand.

Before all the comments telling me how to do it and 'its easy': I know how to do it, and cool story. It doesn't change the fact it is, bar none, the worst and most unfun mechanic in all of genshin impact and doing 11-2 instantly kills any and all interest I have in playing abyss. This will be another abyssal moon I make it to floor 12, but not do it because I'm just so irritated with the content, I just close the game instead.

Posted Feb 16, 2021, 12:39 AM UTC · edited

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staryshine:kaeya::zhongli:•

Defend leyline plus energy drain is one of the most unfun things ever. Only thing worse would be the extend skill cooldown debuff.

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Velvet_Kitsune:xiangling::qiqi:•

So if they sapped energy as well as the skill debuff thing while defending...?

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staryshine:kaeya::zhongli:•

Calm down Satan 😱

But to be honest, I’d take the two debuffs if it means I don’t have to defend the leyline. I have decent auto attackers.

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IspanoLFW•

My real issue with Engulfing Storm is that it's the only one of the four that actively affects off field characters.

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WillaSato:ganyu: working overtime•

While also having the fire DoT debuff that constantly staggers you and summons those homing fireballs at you

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TCGHexenwahn:ganyu:•

And the anemo cyclone from old floor 10

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BusyAd1716•

Pls no

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wws7284:keqing:•

Defending leyline is fine. But the monster lineup are completely bullshit. Like... all melee hilichurls target the fucking monolith and also included certain archers...

Compare to the old cryo floor 12, that one is easier because not all of them are targetting monolith.

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cl0ud692•

11-2 is more of skill/team building based rather than super good stats. So either git gud or wait for the next set of abyss

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EggyLemon:beidou: :tartaglia:•

“Wait for next set of Abyss” when does Abyss reset? I’m at the point i can’t gain anymore stars for the BP Challenges when ever that resets and wasn’t sure if the Abyss even resets

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cl0ud692•

Abyss resets every 2 weeks so you have 3 sets of abyss for the whole BP which last 6 weeks, you only need 12 stars.

As for new sets of enemies in abyss, we still dont know, but floor 12 changed again.

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EggyLemon:beidou: :tartaglia:•

Do only certain parts reset? I got to floor 9 not too long ago and have played since the game came to PC(or maybe a little after? I came during the Venti banner) and have never seen my floors stars reset before so i figured maybe it just doesn’t reset

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cl0ud692•

Just floor 9 above

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kurosaki-trollchigo•

I can maintain 85%+ on the first half easy with my ninguang and anemo Mc. The second part of the 2nd half is where shit starts getting bullshit without high dps. Absolutely hate those two hunters that spawn diagonally. I need to kill one of them as fast as possible which I can't yet. And the other one will already have got my 80% tower to 65 in no time. You can't even chase away the other from tower without caution. One slash from the Pyro agent and 10-20% HP of the tower is gone lmao.

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cl0ud692•

Pyro agent agro towards you, dont stand near the thing or in line with it, you can pretty much ignore him

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Megistos353:zhongli:Shield Supremacy :diona:•

It is unfun and I hate it, but what do you mean they need to rework the AI. It is not as if it is broken or inconsistent AI. Once you learn the aggro priorities of the enemies, you can get through chamber 1 nearly flawlessly. Aggro in Chamber 2 is all pretty simple aside from the cicins which fly around seemingly randomly and may or may not attack the monolith.

It is just about the only challenging content in the game. Unfun and annoying, but it can be overcome with practice. Even without the best DPS like Ganyu or Diluc to brute force it or Venti to lock down all the little enemies.

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ConsolesQuiteAnnoyMe•

HOT TAKE - 11-3 is infinitely worse.

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Raralikes2Draw:hutao: Waga na wa HU TAO!•

Depends. If your goal is only to get 6 star to unlock 12. Then i think i can see why floor 11-2 is harder.

If your going for 9*s i sorta agree.

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ConsolesQuiteAnnoyMe•

11-2 is just a "gotcha!" trap for anyone who hasn't leveled G-Traver or Ningguang.

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TCGHexenwahn:ganyu:•

Nope, it's a trap for those who think you can just unga bunga through everything. It actually requires analysis, observation and skill.

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ConsolesQuiteAnnoyMe•

And blocking arrows with rocks or screens.

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Raralikes2Draw:hutao: Waga na wa HU TAO!•

i didn't use either. For part 1 I have Childe + Chong + Diona + Xingqui Part 2 Jean + Fischl + Beidou + Bennett

Jean's just too good. Even when I clear part 1 with 63-69% Jean can clear the other floor so easily. Jean from I only lvl 90'd her cause waifu to damn I'm so happy I lvl 90'd her xD

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hackenschmidtOPWL 8•

HOT TAKE - 11-3 is infinitely worse.

I might agree, if only because it comes after 11-2.

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TheArbiterDash•

This. I think the worst mechanics in this game are the RANDOM hazards in 11-3 and previously 12-3. Old 12-3 had random icicles that could stun lock you to death easily. Current 11-3 has random electric orbs that spawn and INSTANTLY drain all your energy. Trying to 3 star this chamber was so infuriating when the new abyss came out, as getting hit with one orb usually meant a reset as I barely had enough DPS to 3 star with little margin of error. Even now it usually takes me a handful of attempts to perfect it meanwhile floor 12 i could do in my sleep.

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TCGHexenwahn:ganyu:•

Worse to 3*, but easier to clear.

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Facrock:xiao:•

After a lot a tries I completed 11-2 with 1 star so I said "FINALLY" but when I had to kill those Cicin Mages (they are more tanks than mages) and the Agents that oneshot me I just wanted to cry when I realized after completing it that I had to have 6 stars to do 12th floor... Literallly fuck 11 floor, I'm just waiting the reset of the abyss and having another one actually fair.

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ConsolesQuiteAnnoyMe•

Yeah. There's a reason I firmly stand on the position that the Spiral Abyss is created with pay-to-win in mind. Also those mages are just bullshit. Yes. Have an enemy that can turn invincible and teleport whenever it feels like it, then give them way too much health and have two of them. Completely fair and not a problem that's intended to be solved by buying Venti at all.

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nardgargler:ganyu: All aboard the simp train :ganyu:•

If you have ning you should put her in one of your teams and pop that screen every chance you get to block the archers

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Zel-PanCake•

11-2 is really annoying, both mechanic and enemy-wise. However, it is still doable and I'd rather take that over DPS-check because I suck at DPS (lol gitgud no good artifacts I cri) but floor 11-2 is a blessing for me because I can just take my time after I know how to deal with the floor.

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Bilbo_SwagginsesAyaka waiting club•

I think if they just removed the energy drain, it'd be a lot more manageable. That combo is just ridiculous.

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beardedheathen:albedo::fischl:•

I don't even care if they remove it but God fucking dammit if I switch in a character with Alt+# to do their burst let them fucking do their burst!

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exoskel2:hutao:•

Don't worry friend, the abyss 12 today is legendary.

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TCGHexenwahn:ganyu:•

As much as I dislike this chamber, it's really the debuff that gives it any semblance of difficulty. This energy drain is annoying and unfun. However, I still think this sort of challenge has its place in the game and in abyss. When you look at how envi cleared it without Sucrose or Venti or Ningguang, you realize that it's a floor all about analysis and skill, not just unga bunga dps check.

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wereghoul:jean: sword & spear :zhongli: •

It's consistently annoying BUT after 4 weeks of training, easy 3 stars.

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anthonygamer•

Lmao!

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Cotank•

I understand your frustration mate we all went through that. But for me the most annoying is the energy draining. I somehow made it with Ningguangs jadescreen but it was still a pain. And if I thing about going through that every 2 weeks... I lose all interest.

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Zerakin:tartaglia: DPS go brrrr :keqing:•

I think the floor is overall fine. But, after some reflection, I think Q should have just been turned off for the whole floor. I get the idea of, if you cleanse and rotate correctly, you can get 1 or 2 Qs off. Add another layer of strategy. But with the energy drain it just results in a "feels bad man".

The floor is totally doable. Frankly it's one of the only times in the game where you have to actually think and strategize instead of ability spamming through the problem. The only real issue I see is that there is no way to really gauge how much "aggro" you're drawing. So many times those damn shield hilichurals were chasing me, and I thought I had another second to pull them only for them to turn around and gun it to the monolith.

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beardedheathen:albedo::fischl:•

I don't understand the aggro at all. I've had them turn when I was literally in the middle of an attack chain and leave to attack the monolith

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Zealousideal-Ad-4941•

What they need to do is allow us to set up/switch characters before we start each floor, just like in dimains. That way I could prest up my geo structures.

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Hero_Luka•

God I relate to your comment ona spiritual level, I usually quit once I reach floor 11 because I dont have the patience to deal with it.

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Important-Vanilla117•

Can't relate sorry. Too easy for me.

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planaxni:klee:•

11-2? you should check out the new 12 🙃

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Expert-Conflict8470•

I beat it in two tries with two stars after I learned the mechanics watching one video. Its really not that hard.

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hackenschmidtOPWL 8•

Its really not that hard.

Read my entire post before commenting please.

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Expert-Conflict8470•

Yeah I found it more fun than any other floor to figure out. Its not a boring dps check that the rest of them are and you actually have to use some strategy with it.

You are just saying that its an unfun mechanic because you can't beat it :)

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beardedheathen:albedo::fischl:•

it's more fun to figure out

I watched a YouTuber tell me how to do it

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Expert-Conflict8470•

these are not mutually exclusive?

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hackenschmidtOPWL 8•

You are just saying that its an unfun mechanic because you can't beat it :)

Please read my entire post before commenting

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Battle_Fish•

Ya. I was failing and I thought I simply didn't have enough DPS. Then I just threw a shit level 40 sucrose on one side and a Anemo traveller on the other for the CC. I cruised through no problem with 75% health left.

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Snails22Text flair•

So let me guess, you just tried to brute force it.

Surprise surprise, content that's not merely a DPS check and requires actual effort and players complain. This era of handholding gamers needs to stop, games are suffering because of it.

Complaints like this are why devs just phone it in and inflate stats.

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hackenschmidtOPWL 8•

So let me guess, you just tried to brute force it.....This era of handholding gamers needs to stop, games are suffering because of it.

Read my entire post before commenting please.

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enrageisnear:tartaglia: :ganyu:•

i felt this till i got ganyu and she trivialized the entire floor

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