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DaBestAround

Ikoria Treatment on UB Cards

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https://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/644395979593940992/to-add-on-to-what-i-said-before-about-ub-my-issue

This feel disingenuous to me because I counted and there are 58 alters and Godzilla cards if you do not count the borderless cards. There are almost double that if you count the borderless cards. This would likely allow them to give a Godzilla alter to every LOTR legend and all the notable places. So if they are using the booster pack model they could alter 58 cards no problem. Though not a perfect fix this would be a nice good faith gesture toward the community. These are not slated to come out till 2022 I know art takes time but they do not need to rework any of the cards so All they need is art and names. So instead of Gandalf we can have Gargalf the White wizard. dodo laggins. Daniel Gameree. That's three down and it took me like 5 minutes.

Posted Mar 1, 2021, 1:17 AM UTC

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It still blows my mind that they have this super easy solution that they just recently invented and they refuse to use it. I don’t like the Godzilla cards at all but they are optional so it’s 100% fine. I’m happy that the people who want to use them can do so.

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B_H_Abbott-Motley•

I'm sure it is more work for them, but wouldn't be that much work unless they're planning to pump out full LotR (etc.) sets. Community members made alt versions of the Walking Dead cards in no time.

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Cheapskate-DM•

It's about the production pipeline. The decision to make LOTR it's own plane came before Ikoria dropped and we got the (net positive) feedback on the Godzilla treatment.

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DaBestAroundOP•

Since you mildly implied you might work for wizards I will respond to you. From what the community knows about the Pipeline it is about 9 months that is the last time a card is touched by development to release. If an employee went to work tomorrow came up with 58 names and commissioned or bought 58 pieces of art off deviant art I bet they/you could get it into the production pipeline before the set was printed.

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Cheapskate-DM•

I don't work for Wizards, the long pipeline is public knowledge at this point. It's also plainly evident with how long it's taken from the negative reception of F.I.R.E. design and the first attempts at scaling it back.

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Stiggy1605•

There are 19 Godzilla cards, where are you getting 58 from?

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DaBestAroundOP•

The alternate Art Cards! Like the comic book style ones all all the apex's

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Stiggy1605•

You can't claim Mark is being disingenuous and then go ahead and count the non-Godzilla alt-art cards when the original question was about Godzilla cards...

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DaBestAroundOP•

They are all a replacement card added to booster packs fundamentally the function exactly the same in a booster pack as you had a chance in every booster pack to get either a godzilla style card or an alternate art card instead of a foil.

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Stiggy1605•

I think you vastly misunderstood the question and/or answer...

The question was basically saying that when they did the Godzilla crossover, there were Magic equivalents, could they not do this for the future crossovers? The problem with this is that they designed the Magic cards, and then took 19 of them and made them into Godzilla cards. The alt-arts are completely irrelevant here, they're still the same Magic cards, just with different art. And they're doing the alt-arts for every Standard set now, not just the crossovers.

Kaldheim had 285 cards in the full set, so let's work with the assumption that the Lord of the Rings set will be of a similar size. The person who asked the question is asking Mark if they could take those 285 cards, and make Magic equivalents of them.

Taking 19 Magic cards and aligning them to existing Godzilla characters, and then commission 19 pieces of art is nothing compared to taking 285 Lord of the Rings cards, and then creating a whole new plane full of new original characters and then commissioning 285 pieces of art for them

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Penumbra_Penguin•

So if they are using the booster pack model they could alter 58 cards no problem.

I'm going to trust the guy who knows how much effort this would take rather than you, I think.

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DaBestAroundOP•

I mean I am just using product they have already released as evidence!

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Penumbra_Penguin•

Just because they can do it, doesn't mean that it's effortless.

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DaBestAroundOP•

Never said it was but it would be a nice compromise for those of us who hate these cards and do not want to use them in our decks but also may want to play with the effect the card provides.

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Penumbra_Penguin•

Never said it was

Hmm.

they could alter 58 cards no problem

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trifas•

Honest question, if, instead of doing a Gandalf card like the TWD ones they did a Gandalf card like [[Zilortha, Strength Incarnate]], how would that please the players? I mean, it could have a Magic name, like "Azenf, the Purple", but there wouldn't be a non-Gandalf version of this card. Just a random name written on the card. Would that really make things better?

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MTGCardFetcher•

Zilortha, Strength Incarnate - (G) (SF) (txt)
^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call

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DaBestAroundOP•

Zilortha to me was the miss in the series. One woudl assume that zilortha is the exception and not the rule. Maro even confirmed that they had a Zilortha card ready and decided against it. So a Zilortha card exists to be distributed in another set

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trifas•

Yes, but they said multiple times they can make Magic version of the TWD or any future UB cards. By restricting thos cards to have a Magic version to be released simultaneous is to completely miss the point of making them.

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DaBestAroundOP•

Why is it missing the point the set would still have Gandalf in fact Gandalf would be the primary card there would just also be a different version for people that do not want to play with Gandalf. Some of us did not sign up for LOTR the Card game and any little way to keep LOTR Characters from bleeding into our games would be preferable to me than them telling me to deal with it. Rick is already a borderline Staple in legacy/ commander humans. Some of us do not like the IP bleed but still like the effect of the card. One of The reason Negan was so controversial is that people liked the card and hated the character. Giving people options allows people to make choices and people are historically happier when they are given a choice over being told to shit down and shut up.

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DaBestAroundOP•

How does it restrict them in any way? they would be printed as lord of the rings cards and as X magic character card. Like the godzilla cards. The people that want the LOTR cards get the LOTR cards and the People who don't get a version they feel comfortable using.

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trifas•

In a world with unlimited resources this would be perfectly fine. But it's not the case here. The point of these products is to make top down designs for these IPs (desgins focused on hit the flavor) to make an atractive product for those who enjoy the IP. By making a Magic version of every card they would consume significant resources (art, names, flavor, those things cost money) and would dillute the product (how would one get those cards? They are 50/50 in boosters? There are different boosters for each version?).

If a card is so strong that even not liking the flavor you must add it to your deck, it's very likely that it will be released in a Magic version at some point. (Just wait for Odric the get Rick's text)

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LastFreeName436•

Yes, but that would require 58 cards that somehow all worked flavorwise with LOTR. They were ONLY able to make 58 alts because they only had to attach another IP to like 8. The rest was just a slightly different take on pre-existing card art and it’s disingenuous of you to use that as evidence.

58 cards specifically designed to crossover with LOTR would be a massive ask for the set itself, and at that point you’d just be designing a LOTR set where you could randomly draw shoddy Tolkien knockoffs instead of the IP you doubtless bought the set for, because a set so consumed by the theme definitely wouldn’t have any other reason to be purchased.

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DaBestAroundOP•

Why would the flavor of 58 have have to work at all with LOTR. The point is that they would not be LOTR.PEople are asking for cards that ARE NOT LOTR charecters. These would be 58 characters that could exist in the Magic Lore. Depending on creature type Gandalf could be from Dominaria, Aragorn could be a random ranger captain from Ikoria. These would be the alters for people who find the Invasion of LOTR IP distatesful. If there are two fucking gandalf drawings when one of them could have been random charecter X from x plane I will flip. The people that are upset want some alternative to having to play Gandalf in their deck. These cards would be for those people not the people that are excited about a LOTR product.

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LastFreeName436•

What in all the multiverse are you blathering about?! You want an entire set that’s just a collection of LOTR-adjacent characters? Or do you just want the cards that receive branding to be entirely unrelated flavorwise? I have absolutely no idea how you intend to go about making this product in the first place and somehow not one sentence of your twelve-something-line passage made that easier!

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DaBestAroundOP•

I want the set to exist as is like ikoroa exists as is. I just want godzilla style alternate cards for the legends and notable places. I want the choice not to use some outside ip while still getting to play the card. Its really not that complicated. If instead of alternate art cards they offered us godzilla style replacements it would go a long way toward making this product better for everyone.

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LastFreeName436•

So you want 8 total crossover cards? Because that’s all you get with the ikoria method. Anything further would distort the set itself simply by virtue of finding anything to make any believable connection with. Or you suggest creating the IP cards first and then attaching the magic brand, which would lead to a host of paper-thin characterizations.

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