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Forward growth and classical aesthetics

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Have you ever wondered why the faces of classical statues (Greek, Roman) in general have almost no or very minor forward growth? E.g. this Roman statue of the Greek war god Ares:

https://media.sketchfab.com/models/509ee9c85c7e495ab3c0e9020523fae4/thumbnails/a0b0f560225f44ca850110ae2909534e/a83075ea5791430399c9bf4d94f616a3.jpeg

And that picture is not even profile, here is a 3d-model of that statue to see it from all angles: https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/ares-borghese-509ee9c85c7e495ab3c0e9020523fae4

In real profile view (3d model above) he has even less forward growth. How could a people with otherwise so much sense for aesthetics forget about forward growth? Especially when sculpting not some random dude but a god?

The only explanation I can come up with:

  • pronounced forward growth is/was not the only beauty standard. In western culture there is a lot of evidence for minor forward growth as the beauty standard.

  • forward growth has a large genetic component. Some ethnicities have more some less.

  • There are different ways to be beautiful. Having much forward growth is just one of them. The fixation on one trait does not make sense. Aesthetics is about harmony.

  • Avoiding mouth breathing and correct tongue position is still a good thing (for different reasons) and also has some influence on your teeth maxilla, but does not change you to a completely different type - even when done as a child. That would not even be necessary because, as I said, there are different ways to look good.

Posted Mar 20, 2021, 7:37 PM UTC · edited

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une_mouche-qui_vole•

I remind you that the Greek statutes also had a micro penis and that it was considered beautiful at the time

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LiberalerOP•

Haha, nice. They made the penis rather small, to divert attention away from it, because the sculpture was not meant to be sexual. The face however is meant to be in the center of the attention.

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ThirdEyePenialGland•

Yes, also in Greek society having a Large Penis was considered you lack self control, empathy, and was also akin to evil in such ways. The micro penis was the beauty standard and showed the person(s) or their "Heroes" had Great restraint, honesty, faithful, heroic, compassionate, and had very good morals. On some of their vases and other decorations discovered ,it often times depicted Demons with very large penises. People who had a small penis often held very high positions in their society and was often times among the Elite.

Imagine that One Guy who was blessed. He might've had a hard time but when it came to sex, boy was he an outlier for better or worse .😂😂

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LiberalerOP•

There is no best forward growth, as there are different beauty standards. We tend to like certain looks, but if we take a step back we can see beauty in other types too. I think African ethnicities have the most forward growth. Google "African side profile"

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throwawayyawaworhtxz•

Overall harmony is best, really. You can have average bone structure but if your face is harmonious that doesn’t matter. Or vice versa, you can have great bone structure but if you have poor harmony it doesn’t matter.

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