Wenger's press conference after the 3-3 draw against Bournemouth when we came back from 3-0 down.
Posted Mar 23, 2021, 2:27 PM UTC
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I love and respect Arsene but my god did he love an excuse
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He did. I think it's his way of keeping the confidence of the players as high as possible irrespective of circumstances but it led to a culture of underperformance that was regularly accepted, and the result was the decline of the performance on the pitch.
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it led to a culture of underperformance
A culture of not being responsible for anything going wrong at the club or during games. This kind of attitude seems alien now. Shows how much Arteta has done for the culture of the club already
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So a thing said by a manager in the presser is what he actually thought?
Do you think he actually told the players after the Milan game that they shouldn't worry because it was the grasses fault?
This is stupid thinking.
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Do you know what he said to the players after the Milan game? I can only go off what I hear him say, and he made a lot of excuses. Saying he probably didn't say it to the players with no evidence is stupid.
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Agreed. Arteta was probably already conscious of this culture when he was a player here and changing it was clearly at the top of his agenda when he came back as a manager, and as you say he's done a lot.
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This narrative being pushed than wenger just let every fly with a poor culture is crazy, you dont go 49 games unbeaten on luck and skill alone. You dont win the most fa cups in history by instilling a poor culture
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Yes so glad we addressed the culture of underperformance and comfortably sit ninth in the league with almost as many losses as wins after 29 games.
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Obligatory to post this beauty of a volley by Lucas Perez
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Wenger was such a wizard with the press
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Ah, that game where Giroud celebrated like he scored a winner in CL final with Paulista looking at him like at idiot, truly his love for himself know no bounds. Also volley from Perez was beauty
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People slated him for that game. Sadly, we praise the comeback
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I think you are talking about 2 different things. We praised the resilience of the team and Arteta to make a comeback, but i at least am dissappointed with the result and the way we started the game
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Different contexts. He had a team with chemistry that should be challenging for the title.
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Also West Ham are a good team this season.
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You’re exactly right. Bournemouth were 9th and we were 4th that game. This is almost the exact opposite. This was a good comeback, that was a last minute salvage. Neither is good enough for Arsenal, but the situations are completely different.
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This was a team pushing for a title though
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The biggest difference in the press conference between Arteta and Wenger is how open Arteta is about how it is unacceptable for the team to be 3-0 down and how readily he admits that it is really bad, while on the other hand Wenger talks about the 48 hours between games, the strength of the opposition, and only goes as far as to say that "defensively we suffered".
As great as Wenger was in the 2000s, during his latter days he became too comfortable and tolerated bad performances far more than he should have.
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Arteta also blamed the players after putting out a starting lineup that included two defenders who have barely played recently and Auba on the RW. It was his fault we started as we did but he just says he can't understand why his team played like they did.
Arteta has a lot to learn tbh.
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It was his fault we started as we did
Maybe so, but Lacazette clearly stated that the players didn't respect the game plan so there's another perspective for ya.
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Whilst you are not wrong, the gameplan was very questionable to begin with. The wing swap made 0 sense to me, aubameyang staying on despite playing poorly made 0 sense to me, ESR not being on made 0 sense to me( instant improvement as soon as partey started playing alone and I think we all saw it).
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As a football manager, there are always messages/coaching to be delivered. Some of those messages can be delivered at a presser, some are meant to be shared only in the dressing room. Figuring out how to both well is an artform that is tied to personality and management style.
I always thought Wenger was top notch in this regard. Arteta has a different style - more candor (which I like), and good control during press conferences. It seems to be working with many of the players.
Thinking about how Wenger would have dealt with Guendouzi vs. Arteta is an interesting exercise. I guess that's what Trust the Process is about. Forward!
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Remember when Giroud celebrated like a buffoon after we leveled the match instead of grabbing the ball to try to win.
Vividly, he was still celebrating the scorpion kick. Never liked him, small-time mentality player.
I remember someone timed his celebration and the kickoff and it was like a massive 12 seconds. We definitely would have won the game if he had just grabbed the ball and started again.
Nevermind the fact that he was the one to get us a point that game, you know from 3-0 down.
I do think it was dumb and he shouldn't have done it but my God the reaction to it at the time was so incredibly disproportionate to what it deserved.
Assisted and pre-assisted the first and second goal. Fuck off haters, long live the SCORPION KING.
edit: He assisted BOTH goals and scored the third. LONG LIVE THE SCORPION KING.
God I hate our fans sometimes. People are still angry about it, he scored an amazing goal to get us level and he scored in the 92nd minute.
A quick footage check shows 20 seconds after the ball hits the back of the net do we see Giroud finally reaching the center circle: https://www.nbcsports.com/video/olivier-giroud-completes-3-goal-comeback-arsenal-against-bournemouth
Why do people bother spreading misinformation when they can be dismissed by 30 seconds of googling?
Holy shit, it was 20s?? Should have cancelled his contract right on the pitch.
The outrage surrounding that was overblown horseshit. Yeah he could have made an effort to bring the ball back, but it was because of him we came back in the first place. It was ok for him to get caught up in the moment for... wait for it... 20s!
This is such a fucking stupid take lol.
Did laca do the same thing when we leveled against West ham? Why isn't anyone talking about that?
Probably because this is about the 3-3 vs Bournemouth and not the 3-3 vs West Ham.
I mean, even in the match threads I didn't see a lot of complaints. Maybe we've become complacent as a fanbase?
I think you’re looking into it a bit too much.
Giroud over-celebrated and we were into stoppage time. Whereas the team gathered around Laca quickly with 10 minutes left in normal time.
I prefer they grab the ball in either circumstance, but I don’t think this is a case of double standard.
Oh fuck off, he scored a 92nd minute goal and his celebration lasted less than 15s
You alright?
Don't like this narrative people have about Giroud. Sue me
People view a situation differently than you, welcome to reality. Also, what I said was in jest.
What? Arsenal fans were criticising Sanchez for being a toxic player wanting to score another and defending Giroud.
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